tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post1256731251765350166..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Torah - it's not science, it's not history.BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-25998620324241507042006-09-06T07:17:00.000-04:002006-09-06T07:17:00.000-04:00id like to add that the gemera, according to the f...id like to add that the gemera, according to the fundementalist view, has some time travel issues.<br /><br />the gemera says that the avos practices eruv tavshilin. this is an invention of the time of gemera, yet the avos did it?<br /><br />the gemera says moshe saw rav akiva shiur.<br />now how could we know this unless<br />a) this was a mesora - moshe traveled to future and rav akiva and his shiur was known for 2000 years<br />b) chazal traveled back in time to find this out<br /><br />clearly, saying that chazal said something makes it literally true, is ridiculous.<br />they may have believed it true. it still doesnt make it so.<br /><br />the same with miracles of rav chanina ben dosa. i simply dont think they happened.<br />i dont think chazal were superheros with xray vision and power of flight.<br />and like any good superhero, what was their weakness? it was memory!<br />they couldnt remember anything correctly, but they can burn someone with a glance? pulease.<br />the charedim even have an answer for this. <br />they had xray laser vision but could look all around at the same time so eventually the romans would over come them. (people have actually said this)<br />then we are told, well memory is not a power god gives to anyone. you have to work at it.<br />how convienient.topshadchanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07153946018043229765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1621152206037402822006-09-06T06:55:00.000-04:002006-09-06T06:55:00.000-04:00bw
first of all, the gemera in yoma repeats a stor...bw<br />first of all, the gemera in yoma repeats a story of rav yochonon who got some cure from some woman and he publicised it. artscroll there has coniptions trying to make it look like he didnt steal it.<br />regardless, the gemera makes the point how important it was to publicize such a cure. <br />so the idea that the gemera then purposefully hid cures exact amounts is ludicrous.<br /><br />next, clearly there are no such things as shedim that are depicted in the jewish press cartoon section. The rambam is very clear on this. <br /><br />shedim are either superstition or related to pshycological issues.<br /><br />the biggest urban legen is that hitler was a sheid.<br />he had chicken feet and a tail in some versions tha i heard.topshadchanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07153946018043229765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-46342012223151017722006-08-31T14:57:00.000-04:002006-08-31T14:57:00.000-04:00"Clearly, we have various medical persons who toda..."Clearly, we have various medical persons who today prescribe various herbs and 'alternate remedies' for various ailments. The general medical community are against this (no wonder, it cuts into their business) and to be sure, in some cases, these remedies and their proscribers are hoaxes. But some of these non-traditional medicines have been shown to work."<br /><br />Again, the entire medical community turns away truly helpful medicines. Each and every doctor conspires daily to keep them from us. Oy! Bread molds never spawned penicillin (now selling for like pennies per treatment). That would have cut into their profits. There was no vaccine for smallpox, polio, MMR, DPT, chicken pox. There is too much money in treating them. They will not treat HPV, because there is too much money in cervical cancer.<br /><br />Shesh, when we we grow up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-19043379128121130692006-08-31T11:52:00.000-04:002006-08-31T11:52:00.000-04:00Thanks for the comment, bluke. I remeber very dis...Thanks for the comment, bluke. I remeber very distinctly in seventh grade one of my rabbeim (who, today, is becoming a semi-major posek in the Kensington area of Brooklyn) telling us that the Tana'aim could have built airplanes if they wanted to. :rolleyes:<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-15895957321178003772006-08-31T11:11:00.000-04:002006-08-31T11:11:00.000-04:00With regards to Nishtaneh Hateva, it raises more q...With regards to Nishtaneh Hateva, it raises more questions then it answers. Think about this, if nishtaneh hateva is true why didn't chazal even hint that this was going to happen? Why would Chazal put information in the gemara which was going to expire a few hundred years later? See this post for more details <a href="http://jewishworker.blogspot.com/2005/07/is-viable-answer-for-conflicts-between.html"> Is נשתנה הטבע a viable answer for conflicts between Torah and science?</a>blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80323654783365430872006-08-31T11:08:00.000-04:002006-08-31T11:08:00.000-04:00At least a part of the Charedi world believes that...At least a part of the Charedi world believes that Chazal knew all of science. See this post of mine for details <a href="http://jewishworker.blogspot.com/2006/01/could-shlomo-hamelech-have-invented.html">Could Shlomo Hamelech have invented cars?</a>blukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03774763780910614203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-30557295797723745372006-08-30T11:28:00.000-04:002006-08-30T11:28:00.000-04:00So you are saying there was no such thing as sheid...<i>So you are saying there was no such thing as sheidim? What about the Gemaras which write about them?</i><br /><br />No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that every factual statement made in the Gemara isn't necessarily true. I said that I don't think Moshe was given the "recipie" to see Sheidim as detailed in the Gemara. That's a far cry from saying that Sheidim (or other spiritual forces) don't exist.<br /><br /><i>I don't see how you get that from Rabbi Scherman's preface. The import of his words was to suggest that the Torah is not merely a history book.</i><br /><br />You added the word "merely," and I think that makes a big difference. Rabbi Scherman, like all classical commentators agree that not everything in the Chumash can be taken at a factual, 100% literal level. Events are written out of order, allegories are used, etc. When one reads a history book of the American Revolution which states that Washington and his army launched a surprise attack on the British and Hessians on December 26, 1776, it usually means what it says, no more and no less. The Chumash, however, is not always like that - it sometimes clouds events in metaphor, obscuring details and sometimes leaving out ifnoramtion that is vital to the narrative. <br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-41707471913494579672006-08-30T11:07:00.000-04:002006-08-30T11:07:00.000-04:00So you are saying there was no such thing as sheid...So you are saying there was no such thing as sheidim? What about the Gemaras which write about them?<br /><br />"Events are not recorded 100% literally and metaphors and other literary devices are employed."<br /><br />I don't see how you get that from Rabbi Scherman's preface. The import of his words was to suggest that the Torah is not merely a history book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-40118228855263376942006-08-29T01:47:00.000-04:002006-08-29T01:47:00.000-04:00Wolf - Couldn't have said it better myself.Wolf - Couldn't have said it better myself.Zev Sternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424730129824148277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-20187393532255502902006-08-28T11:12:00.000-04:002006-08-28T11:12:00.000-04:00Frum Jew,
Thank you for your comment. I would, h...Frum Jew,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. I would, however, have to disagree with you simply on the following basis: If Chazal deliberately left out vital informaiton in order to prevent people from concocting such mixtures, then why include the information at all? And furthermore, if the cures do, in fact, work, then why prevent people from manufacturing them?<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-28091935279983636002006-08-24T16:06:00.000-04:002006-08-24T16:06:00.000-04:00When did the concept of Nishtanu Ha't'vaim first a...When did the concept of Nishtanu Ha't'vaim first appear? And when was it said to have taken place?Warren Bursteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851196721637207769noreply@blogger.com