tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post1348887276090561562..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Is Our Torah The Exact Same As Moshe's?BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger140125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-33792731652095294182011-04-07T16:16:10.076-04:002011-04-07T16:16:10.076-04:00and in fact sex with a minor is completely permitt...<i>and in fact sex with a minor is completely permitted al pi Torah</i><br /><br />EVEN IF this were true, it would only be true WRT opposite-gender relations AND within marriage. <br /><br />To the best of my knowledge, NOT ONE child molester committed his crimes in that framework.<br /><br />And with that, I think we've come to the end of this conversation. I'm going to take the rare step of closing this thread to comments, because, at this point, we've gone well past the point of lunacy.<br /><br />I've made the points I wanted to make, and I've given Nate enough rope for him to show that he's either completely off his rocker or else just a troll looking to stir the post. <br /><br />Either way, I think we've exhausted the possibilities of this conversation. If anyone has anything salient to add to the *original post*, please feel free to email me and I'll put it up.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-84617334602680565072011-04-07T16:11:14.507-04:002011-04-07T16:11:14.507-04:00No your point was to accuse people here of denigra...No your point was to accuse people here of denigrating Gedolim, who apparently we hold in less esteem than Picasso. In the process, you made the absurd claim that to be a Gadol you have to be on the Moetzes. You even gave a lame defense of that point. Once you failed at that, you decided I was the one denigrating our sages, even though the only person I've denigrated is you (which I think is richly deserved).A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-3880832052500155392011-04-07T16:07:52.329-04:002011-04-07T16:07:52.329-04:00Also, the Tzitz Eliezer was niftar in 2006. So the...Also, the Tzitz Eliezer was niftar in 2006. So the vote that made the Moetzes the unanimous determiner of who is and isn't a Gadol occured some time after that. I'm glad we're getting somewhere.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-37739533499277835532011-04-07T16:07:18.420-04:002011-04-07T16:07:18.420-04:00And my point is that everyone knows who the Gedoli...And my point is that everyone knows who the Gedolim are no matter where they are, where they learned, or what committee they belong to, and nobody gives them kavod here or on any other blog, including or especially Slifkin.<br />And another point is that if one of them comes out and says that all child molesters are tzadikim then we are required by LAW to adhere to that psak. Because it would not be contra to any halacha in Torah, and in fact sex with a minor is completely permitted al pi Torah. So stop denigrating our Holy infallible sages.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-32825307324264367842011-04-07T16:00:00.773-04:002011-04-07T16:00:00.773-04:00Ksil,
My point is that Nate's an idiot on his...Ksil,<br /><br />My point is that Nate's an idiot on his own terms. This isn't an argument, just my pointing out he has no idea what his own Shitah is on anything.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-86077019633478663822011-04-07T15:58:12.404-04:002011-04-07T15:58:12.404-04:00I said Rav Scheinberg is on it but he learned at R...I said Rav Scheinberg is on it but he learned at RIETS. <br /><br />You're just wrong about R' Chaim being on it. If the deceased were capable of being gedolim without being part of the Moetzes, why can't the living?A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-54265295938722227832011-04-07T15:54:50.010-04:002011-04-07T15:54:50.010-04:00are you seriously having this argument with nate? ...are you seriously having this argument with nate? <br /><br />moetztes: its like the academy awards - they can all go to a conference and pat each other on the back becasue their beards are so grey and long. congratulations! except most of the world, jews, orthodox jews dont care who they self appoint.<br /><br />nate does tho! so let nate enjoy thatksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-54481307415171292412011-04-07T15:44:06.055-04:002011-04-07T15:44:06.055-04:004 out of the 5 u mentioned are long dead, so thats...4 out of the 5 u mentioned are long dead, so thats a dumb statement. Rav Scheinberg, Kanievsky are on it. Every Rosh Yeshiva is on it.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45573077936078687782011-04-07T15:34:50.103-04:002011-04-07T15:34:50.103-04:00Wolf's rule of thumb (and what I started the p...Wolf's rule of thumb (and what I started the post off with):<br /><br />Whenever someone says that something is indisputable, it almost certainly is disputable.<br /><br />Muppet's rule of thumb:<br /><br />Whenever Nate uses a word with more than two syllables, he's using it wrong.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83671724052593099642011-04-07T15:33:34.556-04:002011-04-07T15:33:34.556-04:00Two sentences, both wrong.
The Chazon Ish, the B...Two sentences, both wrong. <br /><br />The Chazon Ish, the Brisker Rav, the Steipler, the Tzitz Eliezer, R Chaim Kanievsky, off the top of my head are not gedolim according to you. <br /><br />Rav JD Soloveitchik and R Scheinberg both were on the Moetzes and learned or taught at YU.<br /><br />Before you insult the people you claim to respect, read a bookA Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-37049319901509020642011-04-07T15:31:02.493-04:002011-04-07T15:31:02.493-04:00already been determined unanimously and indisputab...<i>already been determined unanimously and indisputably</i><br /><br />Wolf's rule of thumb (and what I started the post off with):<br /><br />Whenever someone says that something is indisputable, it almost certainly is disputable.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83353731311575010032011-04-07T15:28:01.925-04:002011-04-07T15:28:01.925-04:00There are a few who havent paid dues I'm sure....There are a few who havent paid dues I'm sure. But by and large thats where one can find out who they are, yes. None are at or came from YU though.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80040122593771991232011-04-07T15:24:56.352-04:002011-04-07T15:24:56.352-04:00So there was a vote? When? Are you suggesting anyo...So there was a vote? When? Are you suggesting anyone who isn't on the Moetzes isn't a Gadol?A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-75484221356124316182011-04-07T15:22:34.139-04:002011-04-07T15:22:34.139-04:00Not true. I have always said that if you want to k...Not true. I have always said that if you want to know who the Gedolim are, just google the Moetzes, it's already been determined unanimously and indisputably.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-5294064350235018892011-04-07T15:17:51.138-04:002011-04-07T15:17:51.138-04:00You think no one says Picasso wasn't that spec...You think no one says Picasso wasn't that special? And the only person here who seems to think that he's qualified to determine who is and isn't a gadol is you.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-66942777047080953282011-04-07T14:53:23.348-04:002011-04-07T14:53:23.348-04:00Just out of sheer curiosity, how come when it come...Just out of sheer curiosity, how come when it comes to all the secular things like science, art, etc, nobody seems to argue about who the "gedolim" are. Hawking, Einstein, Mozart, Picasso, etc. Nobody says they were just smart guys but nothing special.<br />But if someone says Rav Hutner was a Gadol in Torah and a leader of his generation, you all have palpitations.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-48971791622322575292011-04-07T14:27:13.562-04:002011-04-07T14:27:13.562-04:00Whether or not someone is obscure now is not neces...Whether or not someone is obscure now is not necessarily a good gauge of how important their writings may or may not be.<br /><br />Very few people (if any) heard of the Zohar before it's rediscovery (and, please, let's not hash that out here) and yet it's widely accepted today.<br /><br />Likewise, the Meiri is widely accepted today even though he was unknown for a century or two after his death.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-67734015436678793572011-04-07T14:25:06.436-04:002011-04-07T14:25:06.436-04:00Oh I forgot about Lichtenstein (who?) too. Now the...Oh I forgot about Lichtenstein (who?) too. Now there's a name you hear every day in my circles.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-70673547678004540632011-04-07T14:22:58.649-04:002011-04-07T14:22:58.649-04:00The englishization there was a typo, not some weir...The englishization there was a typo, not some weird scholarly tic of mine.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-70531977151337342852011-04-07T14:22:06.103-04:002011-04-07T14:22:06.103-04:00I've also heard of Abraham Ben HaRambam, as di...I've also heard of Abraham Ben HaRambam, as did the three fourteen year olds (none of who would have recognized modern orthodoxy if it stole their wallet) who gave me one of his seforim 10 years ago as a gift. He's not as obscure as you think he is. Not that that's a little bit surprising.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-53068203444372759192011-04-07T14:21:03.783-04:002011-04-07T14:21:03.783-04:00yea, he must wear a different head covering, or le...yea, he must wear a different head covering, or less facial hair. cant listen to those guys! even if they make sense! fehksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89740287450789470722011-04-07T14:05:21.057-04:002011-04-07T14:05:21.057-04:00Not really. Most all of them will discuss machloki...Not really. Most all of them will discuss machlokisim between Rashi & Ramban, Rif & Ritva, etc. I don't think most have even heard of Rambam's son. I never heard of this rabbi named Sperber until about a month ago, when someone claimed he's the foremost Talmudic scholar of today. I'm sure he could run circles around Rav Eliashuv...LOL.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-78813355902015944922011-04-07T14:00:19.328-04:002011-04-07T14:00:19.328-04:00sounds like yuor rabbis have done a great job at w...sounds like yuor rabbis have done a great job at wiping out any opinion that differs from theirs.ksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-46605139746746208512011-04-07T13:57:39.594-04:002011-04-07T13:57:39.594-04:00Good point, but at least you are among millions wh...Good point, but at least you are among millions who have heard of them. Can't say the same about those he talks about.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-42327860696184667832011-04-07T13:50:56.995-04:002011-04-07T13:50:56.995-04:00"Slifkin thinks that Avraham ben RamBam was s..."Slifkin thinks that Avraham ben RamBam was some big guy. He wasn't, or you would see his peirush everywhere, and Artscroll would have him in English."<br /><br />I know I love reading my Artscroll Rif, Rambam, and Shulchan Aruch.A Muppethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06203987052613502207noreply@blogger.com