tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post3456420400006458289..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: One (Hopefully) Last Word On The Execution Of Martin GrossmanBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-30009415463826230972010-02-25T15:18:44.353-05:002010-02-25T15:18:44.353-05:00Follow Up:
I went to visit with Mrs. Park this a...Follow Up: <br /><br />I went to visit with Mrs. Park this afternoon. She was very grateful and after she read the letter, she started crying and asking me how she can ever thank these Jewish people who signed the letter because there were no addresses or numbers. She asked me to thank them for her if I ever see them. I thought the readers here would want to know, so I am passing that on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-72390905702281439192010-02-24T16:16:39.685-05:002010-02-24T16:16:39.685-05:00SZ,
Personally I think you're wrong. Not nec...SZ,<br /><br />Personally I think you're wrong. Not necessarily about the fact that Martin Grossman shouldn't have been executed but that he was executed because he was Jewish. Sorry, don't buy it.<br /><br />In any event, it doesn't matter -- it's not the point of this thread. If you want to talk about Martin Grossman, then start a thread on your own blog. If you want to talk about the harrassment done to Mrs. Parks, you're more than welcome to comment.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-29111795721219896542010-02-24T16:13:51.288-05:002010-02-24T16:13:51.288-05:00Mr. Wolf -
You completely missed the point. It ce...Mr. Wolf -<br /><br />You completely missed the point. It certainly did matter much more than one iota that he was Jewish. Florida does NOT execute every convicted murderer. In fact, they don't even sentance to death (let alone carry out) a majority of convicted murderers. It is a distinct minority that are accorded this treatment.<br /><br />Therefore it is based upon the circumstances of the murder that determines whether capital punishment is applied. You will NOT find another single case similar to the Grossman case where the facts (i.e. non pre-meditation etc.) resulted in the carrying out of a death sentence.Shlomo Zalmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-33945215563407797902010-02-24T15:23:44.696-05:002010-02-24T15:23:44.696-05:00And see that... you made me forget myself. :)
T...And see that... you made me forget myself. :) <br /><br />The thread isn't about Grossman, it's about Mrs. Parks. I purposely avoided commenting on whether the sentence should have been commuted or not BECAUSE I didn't want to open up this debate.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-79790289052888442552010-02-24T15:20:54.493-05:002010-02-24T15:20:54.493-05:00The murderous State of Florida would never have se...<i>The murderous State of Florida would never have sentenced a non-Jew given all the facts (i.e. non pre-mediatated and a whole host of other reasons) if it was a sheigitz.</i><br /><br />SZ,<br /><br />Two points:<br /><br />First, please do not use derogatory terms like "sheigitz" on this blog.<br /><br />Second, oh, please. Florida has executed <a href="http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/execlist.html" rel="nofollow">69 people</a> since 1976. It doesn't matter one iota whether the convict is Jewish or not.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23657346606464090632010-02-24T15:16:54.109-05:002010-02-24T15:16:54.109-05:00Jewish Guy -
Reb Michoel Yechiel HY"D ben Av...Jewish Guy -<br /><br />Reb Michoel Yechiel HY"D ben Avraham Grossman did NOT eat treif. So stop the sheker about a kodosh who was niftar al Kiddish Hashem - BECAUSE HE IS A <b>JEW.</b> The murderous State of Florida would never have sentenced a non-Jew given all the facts (i.e. non pre-mediatated and a whole host of other reasons) if it was a sheigitz. Reb Michoe Yechiel HY"D ben Avrohim received a kosher meat sandwich from the prison canteen -- which was required to provide kosher food equivelent to their non kosher menu after Florida lost a civil rights lawsuit by Jewish prisoners.Shlomo Zalmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-22968060636417637012010-02-24T14:35:06.255-05:002010-02-24T14:35:06.255-05:00"Reb Michoel Yechiel Z"L" (Barf ind...<i>"Reb Michoel Yechiel Z"L" (Barf indeed!)</i><br /><br />This post is not really about Grossman, but about the harassment of Mrs. Parks. But that said, I'm reminded of the following exchange from "The Green Mile" by Stephen King (an excellent book, BTW). It happens just after Arlen Bitterbuck is executed and his body loaded onto a gurney.<br /><br />===================================<br /><br />Percy slapped the dead man's cheek. The flat smacking sound of his hand made us all jump. Percy looked around at us with a cocky smile on his mouth, eyes glittering. Then he looked at Bitterbuck again. "Adios, Chief," he said. "Hope hell's hot enough for you."<br /><br />"Don't do that," Brutal said, his voice hollow and declamatory in the dripping tunnel. "He's paid what he owed. He's square with the house again. You keep your hands off him."<br /><br />===================================<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-12393941871964300412010-02-24T14:16:24.393-05:002010-02-24T14:16:24.393-05:00Nutters abound. I awear, this religion is going to...Nutters abound. I awear, this religion is going to hell in a handbasket. <br /><br />And "Reb Michoel Yechiel Z"L" (Barf indeed!) ate a treif chicken sandwich before he was so rightfully executed. For, you know, bashing a woman's head in and then blowing her brains out all over her vehicle.Nice Jewish Guy (signed out)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-56281321828221304182010-02-24T12:41:11.682-05:002010-02-24T12:41:11.682-05:00It is sad and scary that people think this way and...It is sad and scary that people think this way and say it out loud. Don't people have any empathy for non-Jews? They are still created btzelem Elokim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-15181432942490286802010-02-24T12:25:02.014-05:002010-02-24T12:25:02.014-05:00"Personally, these comments disgust and sicke..."Personally, these comments disgust and sicken me and make me feel ashamed to be in the same species, let alone religion."<br /><br />VERY VERY WELL SAID. TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-66930134022112612912010-02-24T08:20:45.768-05:002010-02-24T08:20:45.768-05:00I wish every Jew thought like you Wolf. These idio...I wish every Jew thought like you Wolf. These idiots make our religion look stupid and uncompassionate. I am truly disgusted with these people. This is probably one of the worst Chilul Hashem's I can think of.E-Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06327848648278849664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-55183809000791521032010-02-24T08:15:27.056-05:002010-02-24T08:15:27.056-05:00Jews at all levels should not be stampeded into ac...Jews at all levels should not be stampeded into actions that could have negative effects. We have had the reputation of a thoughtful people.<br /><br />Those who encourage Jews to petition, write in, or call in about an issue of concern owe us a complete, factual explanation of the situation and the needed response. Hyperbole, extreme language, evasion of relevant facts, and oversimplification are not helpful.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80933928918912738702010-02-24T01:16:09.113-05:002010-02-24T01:16:09.113-05:00Great post and very well stated.Great post and very well stated.Neil Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797772082427806345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-19252275306928745632010-02-24T00:41:19.258-05:002010-02-24T00:41:19.258-05:00Now that's what I call a good post.Now that's what I call a good post.OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1639269276619542672010-02-23T23:40:24.787-05:002010-02-23T23:40:24.787-05:00>>Reb Michoel Yechiel z"l<<
?????...>>Reb Michoel Yechiel z"l<<<br />???????????<br />Barf!Moishenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-32243568146741286752010-02-23T23:02:53.100-05:002010-02-23T23:02:53.100-05:00For the lack of better word - ugh. Completely agr...For the lack of better word - ugh. Completely agree with you.SubWifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10130118656023678187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-39276122613480998402010-02-23T19:31:30.334-05:002010-02-23T19:31:30.334-05:00Then we just have to agree to disagree on this iss...Then we just have to agree to disagree on this issue. You don't put it on your blog and I'll put it on mine. :)<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-47512910792915483712010-02-23T19:28:27.938-05:002010-02-23T19:28:27.938-05:00I do.I do.Aaron S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-85211089214161908732010-02-23T19:24:13.346-05:002010-02-23T19:24:13.346-05:00Sadly, I don't believe it's just a molehil...Sadly, I don't believe it's just a molehill.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-21995610429174869382010-02-23T19:17:24.729-05:002010-02-23T19:17:24.729-05:00Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.Aaron S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-78516902668041971302010-02-23T19:15:03.438-05:002010-02-23T19:15:03.438-05:00Aaron,
It may be true that it was only a few &quo...Aaron,<br /><br />It may be true that it was only a few "lone rangers," but, in the end, it reflected (very badly) on all of us. Showing that we are distancing ourselves from them is a good thing, IMHO.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-63400267592047464182010-02-23T19:11:41.488-05:002010-02-23T19:11:41.488-05:00IF there is any validity or truthfulness to the cl...IF there is any validity or truthfulness to the claim that Mrs. Parks was harassed, it was done by lone rangers few in numbers, who represented no one but themselves.<br /><br />And indeed it would have been counterproductive to the massive (50,000 Jews calling, mailing and emailing the Governor - by the Governors own count of just who got through) effort of the Frum Community's Pikuch Nefesh campaign to save Reb Michoel Yechiel z"l.Aaron S.noreply@blogger.com