tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post4233399342305287356..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: No, Rabbi, They Don't Need A Guilt Trip.BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-60329700666628168782011-03-31T12:31:58.585-04:002011-03-31T12:31:58.585-04:00Miami Al,
I am not sure how your comments about P...Miami Al,<br /><br />I am not sure how your comments about Palm Beach relate to R' Ezagui's shul, which is on the mainland in North Palm Beach, a different municipality from the town of Palm Beach.Avram in MDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-64081158589172996402011-03-22T20:53:06.287-04:002011-03-22T20:53:06.287-04:00You guys don't actually understand Palm Beach....You guys don't actually understand Palm Beach. Palm Beach deeds are restricted, you can't sell property to Jews (this hasn't been legally enforceable in 70+ years). There is a famous picture from the Palm Beach Country Club that said "No Jews or Dogs allowed."<br /><br />Jews started to move in in the late 70s, but it wasn't under the current Orthodox Shul opened up that there was ANY organized Jewish religious presence on Palm Beach Island (the informal name for the city of Palm Beach, not Palm Beach County which includes Jewish-heavy Boca Raton).<br /><br />I don't know that it's a Chabad House per se, it seems like this location is a second presence on Palm Beach, IIRC the original synagogue, that hired a Lubavicher Rabbi, was in Southern Palm Beach.<br /><br />To call the congregation unobservant is generous. Until VERY recently, Jews moving to Palm Beach weren't Jews that happened to go to a non-Orthodox Shul, they were Jews moving to a city that legally prevented them as long as possible, then socially prevented them as long as possible. Stories abound of contractors that worked with Jews being boycotted, Realtors that sold them property being boycotted, etc.<br /><br />And calling the homes there "million dollar homes" is insulting to the homes that are worth much more... though perhaps in the down turn, some of the homes might be down to a million dollars.<br /><br />The Wealthy New York crew that summers in the Hamptons also winters in Palm Beach, it's Bar Mitzvahs and parties, it's a seriously different type of city.<br /><br />IIRC, the first Synagogue in the Hamptons also hired a Lubavicher Rabbi for their congregation, and they were also a non observant set.Miami Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977503720972852329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-11115403550886221962011-02-13T11:54:25.758-05:002011-02-13T11:54:25.758-05:00We are also forgetting that the Chabad is in many ...We are also forgetting that the Chabad is in many supporters' eyes a luxury, not a necessity. Many of those supporters are often not observant Jews. Ultimately, on a weekly basis, they figure they can daven and even learn somewhere else just as well. In fact, many supporters often do belong to and support other synagogues, schools, etc. The Chabadnik thinks he is irreplaceable; but in the eyes of his supporters that is rarely the case. He thinks he represents the ultimate model for Torah; but in to his supporters this is another franchise (albeit interesting, enjoyable, different, etc.) - a MacDonald's among Burger Kings, Wendys, etc.<br /><br />So his basic problem, more basic than his business model, is his belief that he is so special that nothing else compares. While to the rest of the Jewish world, that isn't the case. And even to us observant folks, we are often as happy or happier to daven in a more standard or mainstream Orthodox shul.Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89542141000328825862011-02-11T14:31:49.859-05:002011-02-11T14:31:49.859-05:00The Chabad shliach does not only "throw parti...The Chabad shliach does not only "throw parties and programs for students or locals" -- he also hosts people for Shabbos and Yom Tov, helps arrange Bar Mitzvahs and brissin for people who never had them before, learns Torah with people who never had an opportunity to do so before etc etc. Donations received go to offset the costs of all of the activities done, not 'only' the so called freeloading activities, which, in most cases, have value too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45731133176243608272011-02-11T14:14:33.451-05:002011-02-11T14:14:33.451-05:00The problem with the Chabad model isn't that i...The problem with the Chabad model isn't that it relies on donations. It's that the donations are spent on people who don't contribute.<br />The Chabad shaliach spends his days shlepping around town raising funds so he can throw parties and programs for students or locals. Because he doesn't charge at the door, these people learn they can freeload for a meal or several drinks and never feel an obligation to give back a few dollars. So when the big donors dry up, they simply leave to find another party.<br />Not a good model for the long term.Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-76818229084610695602011-02-11T13:18:45.718-05:002011-02-11T13:18:45.718-05:00Sean,
If that's the way it's to be run (i...Sean,<br /><br />If that's the way it's to be run (i.e. that you're expected to support your shul -- a concept I don't necessarily disagree with) then why not just have regular membership dues, like most other shuls?<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23811229844647687612011-02-11T13:16:17.837-05:002011-02-11T13:16:17.837-05:00Although I disagree with the guilt slant in his qu...Although I disagree with the guilt slant in his quote. I think it's important to remember that ALL of christianity is operated by charitable gifts in the same way Chabad is... They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves by that model!<br /><br />In christianity, it's expected that if you attend a church, that you give your tithe there. You're welcome to give charity anywhere you please but after you take care of your home church first.<br /><br />I'm not sure why Chabad would be any different... If you choose to attend Chabad as your main shul, why wouldn't you treat your donations the same as dues? Do people think they're off the hook because it's not "required" of them? I would be frustrated too!<br /><br />I knew many people growing up that did just as you jokingly suggest, they remortgaged their homes or even downsized so their church could afford debt free expansions.Sean Ben Noachhttp://www.cvillenoahide.comnoreply@blogger.com