tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post4417257876577191337..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: How NOT To Treat Frum AtheistsBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-33039462332418047572008-10-31T16:15:00.000-04:002008-10-31T16:15:00.000-04:00Wolf: "That's a fair question. The answer, however...Wolf: "That's a fair question. The answer, however, lies in the fact that if I see someone driving on Shabbos, for example, I believe that they are doing wrong. While I might not choose to stone their car or yell at them, I think the ultimate goal should be shmiras hamitzvos. I don't think we should impose our view on them, but rather that we should try to encourage them to see the beauty of Shabbos so that they will want to keep it on their own."<BR/><BR/>Excellently put! <BR/><BR/>The Hedyot: "The irony of it all is that Jacob Stein probably has more of an adverse effect on Jews than any atheists in the community. He is the one who is so negatively affecting other Jews, not the closet kofrim! I don't think any atheists could make Orthodox Judaism look as bad as he manages to do with almost every post on his blog."<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately you are right, it's a big chillul Hashem, for the Jews themselves who see what he has to say and would be disgusted by it. But if the Jews would be learning what Judiasm is truly all about then hopefully they will realize he is an exception and there is something wrong with what he's saying. Not because of his being Jewish, but because of his personality, something just isn't right.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83872132297974032862008-10-31T16:00:00.000-04:002008-10-31T16:00:00.000-04:00he sounds crazy and it pains me to think of such a...he sounds crazy and it pains me to think of such a concept. I feel bad for his children.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-81099202288929136162008-10-31T10:18:00.000-04:002008-10-31T10:18:00.000-04:00If you didn't know about him that shows you don't ...<I>If you didn't know about him that shows you don't go to the skeptic blogs. </I><BR/><BR/>I do read some of the skeptic blogs, but I rarely, if ever, get into the comments. <BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-50383519403700738362008-10-31T01:33:00.000-04:002008-10-31T01:33:00.000-04:00Oh forgot to add a thank you for your compliment o...Oh forgot to add a thank you for your compliment on my nom de net but Boruch Lockshenbrains(sp?) is the best one in my book. Haven't seen him for a while though.<BR/><BR/>Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-68736227658430798092008-10-31T01:12:00.000-04:002008-10-31T01:12:00.000-04:00"Nice theory, Ichabod, except that I *usually* get..."Nice theory, Ichabod, except that I *usually* get into these net arguments... see some of my posts regarding ChabadTalk, etc. :)"<BR/><BR/>Heh. That proves my point. The way I see it, you're gonna have to renounce your wicked ways and get straight with Hashem.<BR/><BR/>As for JP, I think you're playing fair because after you criticized him you gave him a fair chance to reply. <BR/><BR/><BR/>If you didn't know about him that shows you don't go to the skeptic blogs. He often comments on those blogs with the idea (in his words, more or less) to stir up emotions so that people will do teshuvah. I don't get the logic. He's stirred up emotions all right but I don't see why he thinks that's a way of reforming skeptics. I also don't think he's had much success. <BR/><BR/> I think he really thinks he's an eved Hashem. Ijust wish he had some insight into how he's coming across.<BR/><BR/>Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-26906322745060843502008-10-30T19:30:00.000-04:002008-10-30T19:30:00.000-04:00[JS]> ...it is a responsibility for all Jews......<I>[JS]> ...it is a responsibility for all Jews...to make certain that these individuals are identified and are not permitted to affect other Jews.</I><BR/><BR/>The irony of it all is that Jacob Stein probably has more of an adverse effect on Jews than any atheists in the community. He is the one who is so negatively affecting other Jews, not the closet kofrim! I don't think any atheists could make Orthodox Judaism look as bad as he manages to do with almost every post on his blog.The Hedyothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-79333210249680635392008-10-30T18:13:00.000-04:002008-10-30T18:13:00.000-04:00Hey, thank you for refuting JP, but he is a sorry ...Hey, thank you for refuting JP, but he is a sorry waste of time. <BR/>Just fyi, if JP is correct, then why did Rabbi Meir continue to learn from Elisha ben Abuyah even when he became a certified heretic and broke Shabbos even while teaching Rabbi Meir? And why is the mishna riddled with Rabbi Meir's teachings, if they ultimately come from a heretic? Sorry, JP, but the Gemara disagrees with you. Take your own Bible and read it again.<BR/>Secondly, I am an atheist who does not do pot, coke, porn, or whores. And I learn Gemara. <BR/>I would say that JP should shove his entire computer up his *ss, but that would ruin the computer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45797973672323240382008-10-30T17:16:00.000-04:002008-10-30T17:16:00.000-04:00Rich,I wasn't even aware of him before I stumbled ...Rich,<BR/><BR/>I wasn't even aware of him before I stumbled across the two posts that I commented on. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, it took me two days to realize that he's not in the same reality with the rest of us. I guess that's because I usually try to find the good in people and give them the benefit of the doubt wherever possible or reasonable. With our latest exchange, he's finally worn that out.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-79087956167098975052008-10-30T17:04:00.000-04:002008-10-30T17:04:00.000-04:00Wolf, have you been drinking?? You just realized ...Wolf, have you been drinking?? You just realized that JP is of his rocker??<BR/><BR/>No matter what the topic is, he someone ties it into the fact that all of us skeptics are supposedly motivated by sexual desires. With his warm personality, i'd say he is likely projecting his own frustrations.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12909933722622649565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-552463711257230062008-10-30T16:25:00.000-04:002008-10-30T16:25:00.000-04:00It doesn't matter. I just realized that JP/JS liv...It doesn't matter. I just realized that JP/JS lives in his own little reality. I've updated my post accordingly.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-12255723459202353502008-10-30T16:17:00.000-04:002008-10-30T16:17:00.000-04:00I wonder what JS thinks should be done to families...I wonder what JS thinks should be done to families and spouses who discover the "heretic" in their midst and choose not to cut them off as he recommends? I know many people whose families still maintain warm ties with the person even though they have admitted to not believing (mine is one such example). Does he feel they should also be severed from the community?The Hedyothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80846731004057803602008-10-30T09:55:00.000-04:002008-10-30T09:55:00.000-04:00Nice theory, Ichabod, except that I *usually* get ...Nice theory, Ichabod, except that I *usually* get into these net arguments... see some of my posts regarding ChabadTalk, etc. :)<BR/><BR/>BTW, I want to say that I've always liked your nom de net. It's very creative.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-51671516810025291262008-10-30T01:04:00.000-04:002008-10-30T01:04:00.000-04:00Wolf! Wolf! I figured it out! I figured it out!!! ...Wolf! Wolf! I figured it out! I figured it out!!! <BR/><BR/>Remember that post you wrote about making a mistake when you were davening and you had this sense of foreboding? Remember that????<BR/><BR/>Well your sense of foreboding was correct!!! Somehow you messed up on the blog, and Hashem decided to get you embroiled in a conflict with JP. Maybe it was the post you wrote about the moon not being made of gas. Bet you'll think twice about that now. <BR/><BR/><BR/>You can probably get the whole thing taken care of by saying a few extra Tehillim this week. <BR/><BR/>Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-48508941769799114082008-10-29T16:38:00.000-04:002008-10-29T16:38:00.000-04:00The Wolf doesn't daven? Sounds like not so much......The Wolf doesn't daven? Sounds like not so much...jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-41297068803394184502008-10-29T15:57:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:57:00.000-04:00Ah well. You know what they say folks... give a p...Ah well. You know what they say folks... give a person enough rope...<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-39282247365468705092008-10-29T15:42:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:42:00.000-04:00"seem to be so in favor of breaking up marriages"O..."seem to be so in favor of breaking up marriages"<BR/><BR/>Of course I am. Ideally through the atheist's death, but if not at least kick the bum out.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-41382996971395598072008-10-29T15:41:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:41:00.000-04:00No it really was me! We should pray for atheists t...No it really was me! We should pray for atheists to die, as per birkas haminim. Anyone here davening shemoneh esreh???jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-77546556053838660442008-10-29T15:30:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:30:00.000-04:00To the person who posted under "Jacob Stein:"Pleas...To the person who posted under "Jacob Stein:"<BR/><BR/>Please don't troll here. It's obvious that it wasn't him. You have to do a better job than that.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-54775322602585036572008-10-29T15:23:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-77520350046640157192008-10-29T15:02:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:02:00.000-04:00JP,I find it particularly enlightening that you se...JP,<BR/><BR/>I find it particularly enlightening that you seem to be so in favor of breaking up marriages, rather than allowing for the possibility that the "good" wife could influence the atheist husband.<BR/><BR/>Isn't that one of the reasons that Ya'akov (from whom you presumably took your name) was punished?<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-69849603128900686812008-10-29T14:42:00.000-04:002008-10-29T14:42:00.000-04:00I've added to the end of the post a few additional...I've added to the end of the post a few additional comments.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-48804859009151916012008-10-29T12:08:00.000-04:002008-10-29T12:08:00.000-04:00I think the Jewish Philosopher is mistaken and thi...I think the Jewish Philosopher is mistaken and thinks that STD stands for Secret Theism Deterrent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-35395948526904495262008-10-29T11:57:00.000-04:002008-10-29T11:57:00.000-04:00Hedyot,That's a fair question. The answer, howeve...Hedyot,<BR/><BR/>That's a fair question. The answer, however, lies in the fact that if I see someone driving on Shabbos, for example, I believe that they are doing wrong. While I might not choose to stone their car or yell at them, I think the ultimate goal should be shmiras hamitzvos. I don't think we should impose our view on them, but rather that we should try to encourage them to see the beauty of Shabbos so that they will want to keep it on their own.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-92199395029875772912008-10-29T10:31:00.000-04:002008-10-29T10:31:00.000-04:00Wolf -You know, I find it a bit troubling that you...Wolf -<BR/>You know, I find it a bit troubling that your main response to JS's <I>"Let's cut them off!"</I> policy is <I>"No, let's be mekarev them!"</I><BR/><BR/>Why does it have to be these two extreme positions? Why isn't "It isn't our place to judge others. We should respect the person's choice to live in a way that they feel is right for them, and not impose our view on them." an option?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-19720553528787260172008-10-29T10:25:00.000-04:002008-10-29T10:25:00.000-04:00JP, as I told you on your blog... my wife knows ab...JP, as I told you on your blog... my wife knows about this blog. She reads it and comments on it. If you read my blog, you'd know that.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.com