tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post596337585350095069..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Do The Gedolim Understand The Nature of Today's Orthodox Jewish Community?BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83090427939247870082008-03-06T17:57:00.000-05:002008-03-06T17:57:00.000-05:00http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c36_a4813...http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c36_a4813/News/New_York.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-5597320052219660642008-03-06T17:35:00.000-05:002008-03-06T17:35:00.000-05:00Acoountable? The easy way to hold these Rabbonim ...Acoountable? The easy way to hold these Rabbonim accountable is to stop listening to them. Much is hidden in the pernicious phrase "The Gedolim." I do not mean to be disrespectful of those who signed the ban; the couple that I have met or read are great scholars. But they are hardly the only great Torah scholars of our time. Anyone who thinks these scholars are out of touch with society should find a Gadol in better touch with society to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-9434422751282776882008-03-06T01:12:00.000-05:002008-03-06T01:12:00.000-05:00A golden oldie.( http://onthemainline.blogspot.com...A <A HREF="http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2007/01/semi-talmidei-hakhomim-or-semi-amei-ha.html" REL="nofollow">golden oldie</A>.<BR/><BR/>( http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2007/01/semi-talmidei-hakhomim-or-semi-amei-ha.html )Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-85636755563439931842008-03-05T23:57:00.000-05:002008-03-05T23:57:00.000-05:00My advice to anyone thinking of walking away from ...My advice to anyone thinking of walking away from Chareidism?<BR/><BR/>Run!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-59238436236082851472008-03-05T15:40:00.000-05:002008-03-05T15:40:00.000-05:00As you may have noticed, YW recently put up a post...As you may have noticed, YW recently put up a post titled "Eye of the Tiger." I posted the following comment to that post. Time will tell if YW actually allows it to pass the YW censorship machine. Here is what I posted:<BR/><BR/>I understand that the askonim are speaking to rabbonim about issuing a kol korah banning YW. Although the content of this post may be kosher, using the title "Eye of the Tiger" which is the title of a 1980s rock hit song is a great issur. The heilige rabbonim have repeatedly warned us that use of non-jewish niggunim is not appropriate, even if the song happens to have won a Grammy Award, an Academy Award nomination, and was voted "Best New Song" by the People's Choice Awards. Utilizing non-jewish songs causes schok and kalus rosh and one should not allow such websites into his home. May it be the will of hashem that YW follows Lipa's lead in doing tshuvah and cease utilizing goyishe negunim. I strongly recommend that you immediately change the title of this post to something more appropriate. How about Ayin Shel Tigris?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-74531279222783883412008-03-05T15:13:00.000-05:002008-03-05T15:13:00.000-05:00Also leaders inspire and change the hearts and min...Also leaders inspire and change the hearts and minds over time. As Jonathan Rosenbloom wrote, "Bans are Not Chinuch." Unfortunately these bans leave very little room for chinuch amongst those that follow them.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-74207340928375526332008-03-05T15:10:00.000-05:002008-03-05T15:10:00.000-05:00These are great questions and they definitely dese...These are great questions and they definitely deserve answers. But, I'm not holding my breathe.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-70994223055052338372008-03-05T14:08:00.000-05:002008-03-05T14:08:00.000-05:00Unfortunately, that's just another nail in the cof...Unfortunately, that's just another nail in the coffin of public respect towards scholars.<BR/><BR/>Usher Friedman is a simple fraud, holding all these appiels from the kind folks in Kiryas Yoel, Tosh and Skver with stool pigeon Russian kids; who knows where all those millions go, but sure not towards any schar limud ...Sanegorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12034171586302321045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-59172626384801461582008-03-05T08:36:00.000-05:002008-03-05T08:36:00.000-05:00Do they understand the nature? Perhaps part of the...Do they understand the nature? Perhaps part of the question should be do they want to understand the nature of the new orthodox world. They seem to be fighting to maintain a status quo that has long since become irrelevant. They got their wish with the establishment of required yeshiva education, and now that those yeshiva educated people are able to ask questions and answer some on their own they would like to put us all back in the box. A case perhaps of be careful of what you wish for--you just might get it.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-13355219660516816402008-03-05T05:53:00.000-05:002008-03-05T05:53:00.000-05:00RE a Jewish Pope,I expect to see white smoke over ...RE a Jewish Pope,<BR/><BR/>I expect to see white smoke over B'nei Barak any day now. (Only half kidding)Zach Kessinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276155117746098546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-6431534764008709262008-03-04T18:25:00.000-05:002008-03-04T18:25:00.000-05:00I think the bigger problem is that the whole mess ...I think the bigger problem is that the whole mess makes the Torah look bad and to a lesser extent of importance, the Talmud. These men stare into them for DECADES. The result is this cuckoo silliness? Hmmm...<BR/><BR/>That is basically the subconscious thought process going on in everyone who's weighed in on this, read of it, heard of it. And it is one that is dangerous, one we don't need, and one that would have been entirely prevented had they done as you suggest and explained themselves properly and put the idea for the ban out before the congregations to mull over.<BR/><BR/>Of course, the entire ban idea would have failed right there on the spot as no matter how little you think of Lipa and company and their music, people don't like being told not to listen to music or watch a given movie or whatever. Nevermind that the reasons for the ban were just plain silly and the only way to get the signatures was to engage in misdirection, misleading gossip, and other shenanigans that usually happen with these situations.<BR/><BR/>So, people think, "maybe it's a good thing I don't spend all my time reading the Torah. Look what it did to them."<BR/><BR/>In order to save the village/religion/movement/etc. it became necessary to destroy it and all...-suitepotato-https://www.blogger.com/profile/04567987879881511630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45266995567599401502008-03-04T14:52:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:52:00.000-05:00I was talking to a career Kollel guy and he told m...I was talking to a career Kollel guy and he told me that in his opinion (and I assume this is something that many of them believe) the best form of government (as available today) that would fit with torah values is a communist/dictatorial society. Makes sense one person making the rules and free social programs for the masses. In such a society the ruler answers to no one nor does he/(she) need to explain the reasons for their decreed. I will, once again ask the question, Friedman's claim to the rabbonim who signed the ban is that it was done with the wishes of R' Elyashiv, since when do we as Jews have a pope who regulates the religion. This is just another example of a takanah she' ayn hatzibur yachol laamod bah, given the reaction of the masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-33823546888057775772008-03-04T13:24:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:24:00.000-05:00Wolf:TheAnswer speaking here.I think you hit the n...Wolf:<BR/><BR/>TheAnswer speaking here.<BR/><BR/>I think you hit the nail on the head here. The education of the masses in yeshivos, seminaries and even through Artscroll has given them independence of thought. You don't gain the respect of the educated through edicts and positions; rather through intellectual discourse. <BR/><BR/>The masses also understand how there is no unified leadership, and without that there really is no leadership. <BR/><BR/>Bottom line: we need to be responsible for ourselves and our families. Part of this involves consultation with those more knowledgible. <BR/><BR/>The leadership really should focus on Tzibur issues. As such they need more deliberation and research before coming out with pronouncements. They also need a good PR guy to frame help market and communicate with the masses. People like Avi Shafran may be good talkers, but I find him engaging more in apologetics than acting as a leadership liaison. This not good at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com