tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post1035992908177402101..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: An Important Message From R. Yaakov Horowitz and R. Benzion Twerski About SuicideBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-20437447167842530822009-11-28T18:10:17.933-05:002009-11-28T18:10:17.933-05:00Aaron, I'm not suicidal, I'm homicidal. :-...Aaron, I'm not suicidal, I'm homicidal. :-DOokamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-870979596374460682009-11-28T18:07:03.767-05:002009-11-28T18:07:03.767-05:00OK, enough already. No more ad hominem attacks. ...OK, enough already. No more ad hominem attacks. Stick to the issues.<br /><br />If you can't play nice, I'll delete all the comments.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-27141669337163404232009-11-27T15:11:56.890-05:002009-11-27T15:11:56.890-05:00I surmise from Moshe's words that Moshe is lik...I surmise from Moshe's words that Moshe is likely a suicidal child molester.Aaron S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-3180196322449739142009-11-27T14:29:55.406-05:002009-11-27T14:29:55.406-05:00David and Shmuel, trying to cover up your own indi...David and Shmuel, trying to cover up your own indiscretions?Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-71228658831712909672009-11-24T11:03:54.017-05:002009-11-24T11:03:54.017-05:00And yes, I have two blogger profiles under the EXA...And yes, I have two blogger profiles under the EXACT same name. I NEVER use OpenID.OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-72316895764612994222009-11-24T11:01:25.457-05:002009-11-24T11:01:25.457-05:00PI: the first comment was OpenID. I NEVER use Open...PI: the first comment was OpenID. I NEVER use OpenID.<br /><br />But since you know so much about my impersonator...OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-71647260895676653542009-11-24T10:29:15.377-05:002009-11-24T10:29:15.377-05:00Actually you are the impersonator. You made the fi...Actually <b>you</b> are the impersonator. You made the first and 3rd OTD comment. The 2nd OTD comment is linked to the original OTD blog.PInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23068150373623698332009-11-24T01:26:51.119-05:002009-11-24T01:26:51.119-05:00Yes, I think it was an impersonator.
/flattered/Yes, I think it was an impersonator.<br />/flattered/Off the Derechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01531816450654963657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-77499904747326159062009-11-24T01:07:45.522-05:002009-11-24T01:07:45.522-05:00The 2 comments above by "Off the Derech"...The 2 comments above by "Off the Derech" have been made by 2 different people. The profiles for each of the 2 "Off the Derech" comments above are different from each other.Shmuel Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01040766068412070720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-16444524941909683152009-11-24T00:56:51.308-05:002009-11-24T00:56:51.308-05:00Hm. I don't think I wrote that. If I did, I ap...Hm. I don't think I wrote that. If I did, I apologize.OTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12284266882043971891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-29890959051724084782009-11-23T06:58:00.921-05:002009-11-23T06:58:00.921-05:00Why do you allow OTD's violent comment to stay...Why do you allow OTD's violent comment to stay up for so long?Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-92159540757664847132009-11-21T19:34:17.790-05:002009-11-21T19:34:17.790-05:00Hopefully that asshole Garnel will be the next to ...Hopefully that asshole Garnel will be the next to jump!Off The Derechhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01531816450654963657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-24154950822745577452009-11-20T13:10:58.101-05:002009-11-20T13:10:58.101-05:00Al,
Please keep the comments on topic. If you wa...Al,<br /><br />Please keep the comments on topic. If you want to advertise your new blog, then contact me by email.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-32055650813246016472009-11-20T11:06:36.886-05:002009-11-20T11:06:36.886-05:00You my friend are missing the thrust of the whole ...You my friend are missing the thrust of the whole article. Clearly they are bringing up this issue because of this tragic incident. Shame on them for allowing any association to be made with their just campaign, when there is not a shred of evidence to all the rumors out there. Don’t they realize that it is futile to associate with this slime as they are not interested in the truth only in mudslinging against our community?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-20804379637222537282009-11-20T07:51:47.375-05:002009-11-20T07:51:47.375-05:00"David" and "Shmuel Roth" have..."David" and "Shmuel Roth" have missed the point. Neither author is addressing the Borger tragedy. Neither knew the young man or has any knowledge of what the truth was. The point in the article is that the lesson can be derived from something that could be. This is much the same as the parables of the Maggid of Dubno, who derives lessons from fables. Advising and guiding people who have been victimized to reach out for help - what is the "evil" agenda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-9889665346957592342009-11-19T22:10:58.623-05:002009-11-19T22:10:58.623-05:00Anon,
I didn't do that. Someone cut and past...Anon,<br /><br />I didn't do that. Someone cut and pasted from my blog.<br /><br />In the YWN CR, my username is WolfishMusings.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-68524202836647742632009-11-19T21:59:50.595-05:002009-11-19T21:59:50.595-05:00Wolf-
When this article appeared in the YWN CR, i...Wolf-<br /><br />When this article appeared in the YWN CR, it was signed "The Wolf". I'm sure you didn't mean to do that, did you? You can ask a mod there to fix it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23506125696824208682009-11-19T21:26:21.460-05:002009-11-19T21:26:21.460-05:00David:
You state the obvious. The so-called Jewis...David:<br /><br />You state the obvious. The so-called Jewish blogosphere, as you out it, is anything but Jewish. They will denounce at first opportunity anything truly Jewish, using whatever lies and innuendo necessary to achieve their evil goals.Shmuel Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01040766068412070720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-22310420192345264442009-11-19T21:09:41.542-05:002009-11-19T21:09:41.542-05:00The biggest chillul Hashem is the fact that the so...The biggest chillul Hashem is the fact that the so called Jewish blogosphere accepted as a given that this was a case of molestation when in fact the original accusation was roundly disputed as being false. The only fact is Motty was never in Munkatch Yeshivah (only in the camp as a counselor as an adult) where these alleged incidents happened. The fact that more accusations are being piled on proves that these scummy bloggers are not interested in the facts only in making use of a tragic death to further their agenda.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-22684523951798459642009-11-19T20:54:19.102-05:002009-11-19T20:54:19.102-05:00"By now I'm sure you've all heard abo...<i>"By now I'm sure you've all heard about the tragic death of Motti Borger and the factors that presumably led up to what happened to him."</i><br /><br />Where did we "presumably" read this "presumed" sheker? In the great bastion of truth known as the New York Post?Richard Highmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-32963756776523289732009-11-19T20:19:21.484-05:002009-11-19T20:19:21.484-05:00Here is a link to what Dr. Twerski wrote last Sept...Here is a link to what Dr. Twerski wrote last September:<br /><br />http://www.vosizneias.com/20213/2008/09/10/borough-park-ny-exclusive-to-vin-news-dr-benzion-twerski-in-his-own-words-address-his-departure-from-askunas/print/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23079756311146514692009-11-19T19:00:32.884-05:002009-11-19T19:00:32.884-05:00Dr. Twersky has continued doing much behind the sc...Dr. Twersky has continued doing much behind the scenes. All that is missing is the publicity. Meanwhile, the furor that followed his jumping ship kept the topic hot enough to get many individuals and organizations into a frenzy. Sadly, not much has come of their efforts, but maybe that is not the angle that will have the most effect.<br /><br />I asked Dr. Twersky about the better approach to bring about change, without waiting for all the backroom politics. He told me that the victims and survivors must band together to get help via therapy and support groups. No one is ignoring the criminal aspect. It just does not seem to help much by focusing on arresting, reporting, and the like. He said this will probably start small, and it will steadily gain over time. He did not have the answer for stopping molesters without making criminal complaints and arrests. He also noted that most Rabbonim, even when well meaning simply do not understand the ramifications of abuse and trauma. Training them is the hard part, since they usually claim to know it all.<br /><br />Many victims do not know they are victims. Often, someone enters therapy, and it surfaces that there were such issues in childhood. This individual may have never been aware of it. The many articles that appear in our publications as well as some secular ones are very informative. With greater exposure through articles such as this one, many more people can hopefully get the real help they need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-40684725741543277922009-11-19T17:58:45.747-05:002009-11-19T17:58:45.747-05:00BT quitting last year because his kids might have ...BT quitting last year because his kids might have trouble with shidduchim sent out a loud and clear message. The harm done will take years to recover from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-71334260386094609662009-11-19T17:16:13.997-05:002009-11-19T17:16:13.997-05:00This is a very important message to send out - and...This is a very important message to send out - and to keep sending out. I am very pleased to see that the frum community is finally coming to terms with the fact that abuse and mental anguish must not be swept under the rug. And that those who need therapy should not be allowed to fear social stigma for it any more than someone with high cholesterol levels should be allowed to fear stigma for seeking medical help.<br /><br />Unfortunately, in many cases that I have seen the victims do not even know that they are victims. One of the saddest things about abuse that happens to children is that they often tend to believe that they "deserved it" or "didn't have it that bad". I've seen this even in serious cases of abuse. So the other big issue is, how do we get such victims to realize that this article is talking to them?squeakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13409585509454507284noreply@blogger.com