tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post112627603195601641..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: On Being Bored with GemaraBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1129477273534086422005-10-16T11:41:00.000-04:002005-10-16T11:41:00.000-04:00I totally understand why your son may not be inter...I totally understand why your son may not be interested in one particular aspect of Shas. Being that you probably won't be able to change what they teach at the school, I would suggest the following. Either you or a private Rebbi should find a short masechta that your son likes, and learn it with him in his free time. This would cause your son to see that he enjoys learning, and he therefore won't get the feeling that learning (gemora) is not for him. It would be benficial to finish the mesechta as this would give him a feeling of accomplishment and that will encourage him to learn more. I realize that this may not be a good idea, especially since you learn mo'ed with him, and I assume that already takes up some of his free time. I guess you should see what your kis says about this idea. Hatzlocho!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126720034453752742005-09-14T13:47:00.000-04:002005-09-14T13:47:00.000-04:00There's some kind of cycle that they follow. Last...There's some kind of cycle that they follow. Last year, my son learned gittin. I think the year before it was makos. The year before was babba kamah.<BR/><BR/>That's when I started Babba Kama, and 3 years later I'm still working on it. It's a bit dry.PsychoToddlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874353280798371891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126533716035588152005-09-12T10:01:00.000-04:002005-09-12T10:01:00.000-04:00"Gemara is boring to most kids becuase it is case ..."Gemara is boring to most kids becuase it is case law that is no longer relevant."<BR/><BR/>Ben, this statement may apply to some gemorah but it is, overall, not true.<BR/><BR/>Some number of years ago, I'm told, there was an attempt made in many yeshivos to change the order of gemoros first learned. Many menahalim felt that Aleh Metzius was a bit heavy to hit a new gemorah learner with and felt that Talmud study aught to start with, well, the beginning of Talmud - like some perek in Berachos (certainly, something more practical for the average 10-11 year old). Rabbi Moshe Feinstein zt"zl was consulted about this and he was firm that the first gemorah a child should learn was Aleh Metzius. According to the reports, he said that the first lessons that a child should have drumed into his head is that there are some things that belong to him and some things that don't (Aleh Metzius is about what type of lost objects must be returned or can be kept by the finder). <BR/><BR/>Now, I have never heard that he commented on what should follow Aleh Metzius, but he was emphatic about maintaining Aleh Metzius as the first gemorah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126472073876544042005-09-11T16:54:00.000-04:002005-09-11T16:54:00.000-04:00I don't know if that's necessarily universally tru...I don't know if that's necessarily universally true <B>Ben</B>. I enjoyed Makkos in seventh grade, even though it had none of the chapters (witnesses lying in court, exile to an Ir Miklat or lashes) had any practical application to my life at the time.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that your observation may be true for some, but it's certainly not true for all. Some people enjoy theoretical discussions.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126470219220374362005-09-11T16:23:00.000-04:002005-09-11T16:23:00.000-04:00Gemara is boring to most kids becuase it is case l...Gemara is boring to most kids becuase it is case law that is no longer relevant. <BR/><BR/>You don't see any kids sitting down to read legal decisions of the peoples court, do you ?<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it be nice to let him follow his intrests rathing than pushing him into the standard mold?<BR/><BR/>I eventually liked gemara, not becuase of interest, but becuase I loved the logical "shtuch", you know, go brain against brain with your chavrusah and beat him into an intellectual corner.Ben Avuyahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08814145983874592449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126298055256013122005-09-09T16:34:00.000-04:002005-09-09T16:34:00.000-04:00Sanhedrin, Pesachim, NedarimSanhedrin, Pesachim, NedarimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126295547863843092005-09-09T15:52:00.000-04:002005-09-09T15:52:00.000-04:00This is all very interesting, because Sanhedrin wa...This is all very interesting, because Sanhedrin was also one of my favorites as well. Nazir (?!?) was also very interesting to me as well.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126294432390454242005-09-09T15:33:00.000-04:002005-09-09T15:33:00.000-04:00Sanhedrin remains my favorite also. I actually nev...Sanhedrin remains my favorite also. I actually never wanted to look at a gemara again after learning some of the babas. By the third daf of shnayim oktzin, I really didn't care who got the tallit. Everyone is supposed to have their chelek of gemera. Mine is not in the babas. Those with very technical or legal minds often love it, though.MC Aryehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15391548803569665725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126294176609590362005-09-09T15:29:00.000-04:002005-09-09T15:29:00.000-04:00It is a self-perpetuating problem. The rabbeim are...It is a self-perpetuating problem. The rabbeim are most/only comfortable going in-depth in these masechtas as a byproduct of their own education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1126284980125791632005-09-09T12:56:00.000-04:002005-09-09T12:56:00.000-04:00i only fell in love with gemarah after learning so...i only fell in love with gemarah after learning son'head'renAMSHINOVERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07680072149053035110noreply@blogger.com