tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post3446061927360681118..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Is There Even A Point To This?BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-59711114422474597222015-06-29T23:56:14.173-04:002015-06-29T23:56:14.173-04:00Chok doesn't mean there is no reason. It doesn...Chok doesn't mean there is no reason. It doesn't even necessarily mean we don't know the reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-60302174678079718112011-10-31T11:41:35.947-04:002011-10-31T11:41:35.947-04:00האומר על קן צפור יגיעו רחמיך ועל טוב יזכר שמך מודי...האומר על קן צפור יגיעו רחמיך ועל טוב יזכר שמך מודים מודים משתקין אותו<br /><br />There is something unhalchic about pitying the mother. Even if one does not agree with the feeling. Halacha does not vary upon one's person feelings.<br /><br />OK having said that, this sheet is is posted by a teen looking to make some moolah. I know the kid, nice guy, dads a bit tight in the finacial department. Kid thinks he is doing it l'shem shomayim and making a couple of bucks in the process.Noamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1729610774609571622011-10-26T15:12:45.971-04:002011-10-26T15:12:45.971-04:00I am no expert on brain function of birds or anyth...I am no expert on brain function of birds or anything else, but "destroying a bird family" seems to me like nothing more than anthropomorphism. The expression "bird brain" has a source. I doubt that a mother bird will notice if an egg (/chick) or two (or all) is missing when she returns to the nest. Birds operate on instinct, not based on family values. If this mitzvah offends anyone's sensibilities, I suggest it may have more to do with how the person perceives animals than with any reality. <br /><br />I admit there may be some smarter than average bird species, e.g. parrots, that would notice. But are there any kosher bird species known for having intelligence? I am not aware of any.<br /><br />P.S. I am not coming at this from the angle that "no mitzvah in the Torah could involve 'cruelty' of any kind". Certainly some mitzvos do (e.g. the mitzvah to war with any Canaanite that did not leave Eretz Canaan). But chazal tell us that the purpose of shiluach hakan is to <i>avoid</i> cruelty. Chazal do not say this about all mitzvos, and where they do say it I choose to believe it.<br /><br />Sorry Wolf for the tangential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-51344867077890934672011-10-24T17:54:59.612-04:002011-10-24T17:54:59.612-04:00for $5,I will show you a dog you can give unkosher...for $5,I will show you a dog you can give unkosher meat to...after all,the torah says you shall give it to a dog...(and for an extra $3,I'll show you a place you can get the unkosher meat to give to the dog)aaron from L.A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83476788391331463722011-10-16T11:41:34.636-04:002011-10-16T11:41:34.636-04:00Coco: Nah, we have indulgences too. They're ca...Coco: Nah, we have indulgences too. They're called "pidyon" not to be confused with bogus Shiluach haKen, which is called "pigeon." The latter is entirely our own nonsense.ItcheSruliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-65019133399005078062011-10-16T00:05:12.622-04:002011-10-16T00:05:12.622-04:00"nominal fee". I believe the Catholics h..."nominal fee". I believe the Catholics have a word for this. "Indulgences"Cocohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10280437593544249005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-14764757217787446892011-10-12T10:01:03.284-04:002011-10-12T10:01:03.284-04:00I do not screen comments and I very rarely do any ...I do not screen comments and I very rarely do any "active" moderation.<br /><br />It just seems that people behave here -- and I'm certainly not complaining. Yes, we've had our share of troublemakers, but, on the whole, I'm happy that I have commentators who are civil.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-71598689672571294052011-10-12T02:36:02.000-04:002011-10-12T02:36:02.000-04:00I suspect that my local rabbi would compare this c...I suspect that my local rabbi would compare this contrived, artificial act, devoid as it from any thought or regard for the spirit of the mitzvah, to putting coins in the cosmic slot machine hoping to hit the jackpot. <br /><br />At least we can take solace in the fact that only of the little paper phone stubs was taken.<br /><br />On a side note, does the Wolf screen the posts or is everyone here just very civil? It's quite refreshing.Balansennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-48363986788118628392011-10-11T15:01:20.568-04:002011-10-11T15:01:20.568-04:00The reason that the Rabbi is needed for the mitzva...The reason that the Rabbi is needed for the mitzva is because with experience, he knows where to find likely spots where birds will make a nest and lay the eggs. I did some research on the subject because-twice-birds made a nest on my porch and laid eggs. There was the issue of a nest in a private property. There was (perhaps still is) a phone # in the Yated where somone who is well versed in the details of the mitzva could advise you as to how to proceed.<br /> LeibelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-50448795578612068422011-10-10T14:52:41.549-04:002011-10-10T14:52:41.549-04:00An old Christian saying from the Middle Ages seems...An old Christian saying from the Middle Ages seems on point:<br /><br />"When the coin in the coffer rings, <br />the soul from purgatory springs!"Woodrow/Conservadoxhttp://conservadox.tripod.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-91178724619145351262011-10-09T13:21:40.755-04:002011-10-09T13:21:40.755-04:00Even if the mitzvah is applicable if you don't...Even if the mitzvah is applicable if you don't want the egg, it;s only if you come across the bird, rather than if it's been prepared for you. It's a rashi on the pasuk (פרט למזומן)Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-46699187484767753572011-10-09T01:45:10.296-04:002011-10-09T01:45:10.296-04:00a few years ago a neighbor told me he just did shi...a few years ago a neighbor told me he just did shiluach haken (come on, as a baal kore you should know better ;) ) and i asked him what he was going to do with the eggs. he looked at me strangely and asked if i wanted to to it as well. he also went to all the jewish neighbors in the building to ask if they wanted to do it as well. i didn't understand the point doing it over and over.Abba's Rantingshttp://abbasrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-74574003241843169172011-10-06T23:36:12.797-04:002011-10-06T23:36:12.797-04:00> yeshuous (salivations)
You mean salvations, ...> yeshuous (salivations)<br /><br />You mean salvations, of course, but I think that salivations may actually more accurately capture the spirit of the thing . :)G*3https://www.blogger.com/profile/06104739087560005056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45724908198987661592011-10-06T23:10:49.616-04:002011-10-06T23:10:49.616-04:00R. Student,
Thanks for the response and the info....R. Student,<br /><br />Thanks for the response and the info. But even according to that opinion, the situation being described here is artificial and contrived. <br /><br />Susan,<br /><br />Thanks for the correction. :)<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-1464512154939563272011-10-06T22:38:35.578-04:002011-10-06T22:38:35.578-04:00It's a machkokes acharonim whether there's...It's a machkokes acharonim whether there's a mitzvah to send away the bird if you don't want the egg: <a href="http://torahmusings.com/2008/04/sending-away-mother-bird-2/" rel="nofollow">http://torahmusings.com/2008/04/sending-away-mother-bird-2/</a>Gil Studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12776831546758682126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-62585329099147642392011-10-06T21:55:34.180-04:002011-10-06T21:55:34.180-04:00Mike, Since there are opinions that you aren't...Mike, Since there are opinions that you aren't yotze if you don't want the eggs, I guess that would qualify as "nonMehudar," IOW the advertised "mehadrin" service.<br /><br />PS The captcha below this post says "boyel." I wonder what the tznius patrol would think of that. :)ItcheSruliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45110729958254647312011-10-06T21:28:06.222-04:002011-10-06T21:28:06.222-04:001) The rabbi does not guarantee anything. He say...1) The rabbi does not guarantee anything. He says the midrash does. If he guaranteed it, someone might sue him.<br /><br />2) Why is the rabbi needed for the mitzvah? If he (or anyone) owns the birds, there is no mitzvah at all. If you want a wild duck egg, just find a wind duck nest.<br /><br />3) What is the LMEHadrin part? Is there a non-mehuddar way to fulfill this mitzvah?Mike S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-47188051774208137232011-10-06T19:43:37.344-04:002011-10-06T19:43:37.344-04:00I agree with you completely. It's no mitzvah i...I agree with you completely. It's no mitzvah if you don't want or need the eggs. It's just torturing the bird.<br /><br />I noticed you said they are offering "salivations," and though I suppose one may salivate at the thought of eating eggs, I suspect you may have meant "salvation."<br /><br />May you have an easy fast, and may your first meal afterward be worthy of salivation.Susan Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840373234747823781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-83684096053229186922011-10-06T19:30:01.310-04:002011-10-06T19:30:01.310-04:00Every year, when the Mitzvah comes up in the Parsh...Every year, when the Mitzvah comes up in the Parsha, my family has the same discussion. It must be only if you need the eggs. No, we learned it is a Chok. There is a very understandable reason for sending the mother away when you want the eggs. The reason it is a Chok is because you send the mother even if you don't want the eggs...Back and forth without any final conclusion.<br /><br />If the Mitzvah is only when you want the eggs, how can it the be one of HaShem's Chukim?Kindred Spirithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042666573473400683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-82518577673604123832011-10-06T18:30:11.432-04:002011-10-06T18:30:11.432-04:00I agree. Have always felt that this "mitzva&q...I agree. Have always felt that this "mitzva" was wrong. If you intend to eat the eggs, ok, I guess in some old world that scenario would play out and you can do the mitzva. But for random people with eggs in their fridge to go and destroy a bird family, etc... is frankly disgusting.<br /><br />The mitzva is to save the birds from pain, and these bums are causing pain for selfish reasons.azinoreply@blogger.com