tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post5490636960570260426..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Not Answering The ObjectionBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-15065583386508461262013-07-16T18:15:27.602-04:002013-07-16T18:15:27.602-04:00Interesting article, thanks for posting, Rav Mosh...Interesting article, thanks for posting, Rav Moshe Feinstein ruled that Bishul Akum applied even in factories (where the connection to the consumer is even more distant than in a restaurant) except in cases where the cooking tools used were something that would not be used in normal cooking. (The principle leniency I am aware of from this is that OU does not think bishul akum is a concern for canned tuna fish, as the giant steamers used to cook the fish are not a scaled up version of any common cooking utensil.)<br /><br />I didn't find most of the rabbi's reasons particularly compelling. You can always find someone who forbids anything, and I think that contemporary American Orthodoxy is not suffering from an over-reliance on b'devieds. It seems like we are suffering from H. L. Mencken's definition of Puritanism.<br /><br />I found reason 5 (providing more employment for frum Jews with no skills) to be the most interesting. I don't think it will work out the way he does. He doesn't come right out and say what he expects to happen. I get the impression he expects the non-Jewish chefs to be fired and replaced by Jews? In that case I'd expect a drop in quality and rise in prices, and a significant number of restaurants going out of business. If the Jew can participate in a trivial way (e.g, flipping the hamburger or stirring a large pot of soup once) I'd expect those duties to add only one or two people to the staffing requirements,<br />Larry Lennhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578073969473815180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-24196372159916694742013-07-11T16:47:36.363-04:002013-07-11T16:47:36.363-04:00Who's going to decide re the 'wisdom' ...Who's going to decide re the 'wisdom' part?<br /><br />btw, any way to relax the 'not-a-robot-proving' mechanism? It can be quite difficult to differentiate letters often.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-52720272120288555902013-07-11T11:27:00.991-04:002013-07-11T11:27:00.991-04:00"One beis din can not annul that which an ear..."One beis din can not annul that which an earlier beis din decided unless they are greater than them in wisdom and numbers." I just quoted a halachik statement that I think is the backbone of R. Hoffman's article. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-19928460294818041322013-07-11T00:03:27.750-04:002013-07-11T00:03:27.750-04:00I particularly hate the "they were wiser than...I particularly hate the "they were wiser than us" card. Granted, any member of ChaZaL prominent enough to mentioned in Mishnah or Talmud was undoubtedly on the top of his game, but I really hate the implication that no one today is as smart or as wise or as learned. Sure, your local Rabbi in Cheder is not exactly ChaZaL, but I'd put Rav Moshe ZT"L or Rav Shlomo Zalman ZT"L against CHaZaL any day.Avihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987913203857736139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-66153393472022485512013-07-10T13:59:15.116-04:002013-07-10T13:59:15.116-04:00When reading through the various codes one does fi...When reading through the various codes one does find situations in which the posek says "Well, this situation is somewhat different from what the original decree was meant for but..." However, the answer usually is that the decree was made as a blanket one and we don't have the authority to starting picking and choosing how to apply it. So a good end to his post might have been "While a modern restaurant avoids some of Chazal's concerns their decree covers all cases of non-Jews cooking for Jews so we make no differentiation."Mighty Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-4480189582200103612013-07-10T13:50:27.678-04:002013-07-10T13:50:27.678-04:00people truly believe that even contemporary rabbis...people truly believe that even contemporary rabbis, dayanim and poskim have some sort of heavenly guidance when they make a judgement. kal vechimer chazal.<br /><br />ksilnoreply@blogger.com