tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post6504981921435654710..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Going Overboard on TzniyusBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-66697160939922752632008-07-09T17:49:00.000-04:002008-07-09T17:49:00.000-04:00I take pride in operating the http://www.simchawea...I take pride in operating the http://www.simchawear.com website with the utmost of tznius (modesty). When people post a dress for sale or rent, I will remove the hands and face. Call me crazy, but this is a crazy world and you've got to fit in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-28800624202311143392008-02-12T19:16:00.000-05:002008-02-12T19:16:00.000-05:00Would think that it would be clearer to darshen bu...Would think that it would be clearer to darshen burka from boureka. Just as the filling is stuffed into the puffy layers of dough the women are stuffed into the puffy layers of cloth.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-43790343696690304052008-02-12T19:02:00.000-05:002008-02-12T19:02:00.000-05:00Pretty soon Jewish women will be told to wear burk...Pretty soon Jewish women will be told to wear burkas.Some one will darshen that burka comes from the word bracha ie;those who wear them will be blessed(you know,like all those women in Afghanistan).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-91648008592009152162008-02-10T21:57:00.000-05:002008-02-10T21:57:00.000-05:00personally i find stocking with a line up the back...personally i find stocking with a line up the back very exciting and sexyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-70710445802834118972008-02-10T06:49:00.000-05:002008-02-10T06:49:00.000-05:00Actually, walking around in a burka is as untznius...Actually, walking around in a burka is as untzniusdik as walking around in underwear. For one thing it invites attention. For another, ostentatious displays of surface piety are called "yuhara" by Chazal, and forbidden as a violation of tzniut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80761858903524846492008-02-10T00:18:00.000-05:002008-02-10T00:18:00.000-05:00Re the patent leather shoes, it goes beyond being ...Re the patent leather shoes, it goes beyond being a Catholic prohibition. A law, still on the books in Ohio, states:<BR/>**Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in<BR/>public."ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-35314170960604796602008-02-08T15:57:00.000-05:002008-02-08T15:57:00.000-05:00michael koplow: thanks for reminding me. I recall ...michael koplow: thanks for reminding me. I recall that statement now. I wonder why this gentleman inferred that freedom necessarily means freedom from G-d as opposed to freedom from MAN to get to know G-d. As in, you're free to choose G-d if you want. Is he afraid to choose G-d or that he might not?<BR/><BR/>The deconstruction possibilities are endless.-suitepotato-https://www.blogger.com/profile/04567987879881511630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-23505984624616684142008-02-08T09:03:00.000-05:002008-02-08T09:03:00.000-05:00And BT"W, here's a link to a post of mine about no...And BT"W, here's a link to a post of mine about nontzniusdik statuary (which would be a great pseudonym).<BR/><BR/>http://considerthesource2.blogspot.com/2007/11/liberty-enlightening-world_04.htmlMichael Koplowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334251239196640565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-13038020107501663672008-02-08T08:59:00.000-05:002008-02-08T08:59:00.000-05:00I was going to point out that I heard about the Ca...I was going to point out that I heard about the Catholic issur on patent leather shoes from my RC schoolmates when I was in school (public), but some others beat me to it. All that I'm going to add is a cry of "Chukkat hagoyim! Chukkat hagoyim!"Michael Koplowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334251239196640565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-90264705760396271312008-02-07T21:44:00.000-05:002008-02-07T21:44:00.000-05:00I would anonymously suggest that the great rabboni...I would anonymously suggest that the great rabbonim of our time might be in danger of being infected by breathing in the heady scents of women around in the world and should wear HEPA filtration face masks to prevent smelling female smells both perfume and especially that other one.<BR/><BR/>After that, one silly thing after another until the chumra-addicted are wandering around hermetically sealed in space-age suits. Keep it up until the silliness becomes so manifest it can not be ignored any longer.<BR/><BR/>Fight fire with a seltzer bottle.-suitepotato-https://www.blogger.com/profile/04567987879881511630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-28305393534995298052008-02-07T12:55:00.000-05:002008-02-07T12:55:00.000-05:00It's all very simple...what some people lack in te...It's all very simple...what some people lack in terms of the spiritual side of Judaism,they try to make up with novel Chumras on the physical. In any case,a rebbe at my yeshiva once told our class that Machmir should be read" mach mir" as in Yiddish,not Hebrew ie.,what someone makes for himself and not what one tries to force on others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-90011486682787370192008-02-07T12:39:00.000-05:002008-02-07T12:39:00.000-05:00My father's favorite phrase was "everything in mod...My father's favorite phrase was "everything in moderation." He was old school chauvenist, but even he wouldn't have been able to stomach what the super-charedi's are doing to women. I suspect he would have steered us clear of orthodoxy had he known this was in store.<BR/><BR/>And you can say all you want about how you have a choice to follow or not to follow. As the father of 3 girls (all of whom are amazingly talented and have a lot to offer), I sure am glad I don't live in one of these communities. The pressure to conform is enormous, not just socially, but now we see that there may be violence involved too.<BR/><BR/>It's really scary.PsychoToddlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874353280798371891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-71061966655768046712008-02-06T22:48:00.000-05:002008-02-06T22:48:00.000-05:00Wolf, we as Orthodox Judaism have a choice. We ca...Wolf, we as Orthodox Judaism have a choice. We can embrace the mystical path which sees theurgic properties on every single thing we do. Therefore, it is completely logical, following this way of thought that the greater the chumra, the greater the holiness, because there is inherent kedusha in the chumra. Therefore just like shaving off a womens hair has mystical powers so should covering the entire body. <BR/>Or we can follow the mesorah of rational Torah of the Rav Sadia Gaon, Rambam, RSRH, and the RYBS. These great luminaries see Mitzvas and Judaism as means to and end off emulating and understanding God. Therefore while chumras have there place, they can also have detrimental effects on our kedusha. This derech, I believe taught properly, can go a long way in solving so many of the current issues we are having today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89491999240751870082008-02-06T22:27:00.000-05:002008-02-06T22:27:00.000-05:00". . . weddings . . . are being phased out."Does t...". . . weddings . . . are being phased out."<BR/><BR/>Does that mean that we are going to promote having children out of wedlock or are we phasing out children as well?<BR/><BR/>"More and more fundraisers (such as Chinese Auctions) are becoming either gender-segregated."<BR/><BR/>That is the greatest idea to have hit the orthodox scene since they invented scotch. Now my wife can't shlep me to those Chinese auctions. Then again, now she actually buys the tickets at the door herself. I can no longer pull the "why don't you go speak to your friend over there while I go buy the $3 million worth of tickets you want and throw them all into the bin for that horrendous looking painting you wanted." My wife is still wondering how if she instructed me to put 90% of the tickets towards the the gift certificate to a jewelery store and not more than $10 worth towards that state of the art computer system, how come we end up winning the computer system. Well, what can I say, its the luck of the draw.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89110828233716819312008-02-06T15:59:00.000-05:002008-02-06T15:59:00.000-05:00Ariella,Great point! I didn't even think to menti...Ariella,<BR/><BR/>Great point! I didn't even think to mention that!<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-27570570125911934922008-02-06T15:58:00.001-05:002008-02-06T15:58:00.001-05:00G,Thanks for the compliment. :)The WolfG,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the compliment. :)<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-72483556068035393432008-02-06T15:58:00.000-05:002008-02-06T15:58:00.000-05:00Fair enough. I'd never heard of it before.In any ...Fair enough. I'd never heard of it before.<BR/><BR/>In any event, how big a concern is this, really? It's still silly, even if it did come from the Catholics.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-16730900934362930442008-02-06T15:55:00.000-05:002008-02-06T15:55:00.000-05:00anonymous is right. The idea of shiny shoes reflec...anonymous is right. The idea of shiny shoes reflecting up a girl's skirt is immortalized in a great book from the 60s about Catholic school called "Do Black Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up?".SuperRaizyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742653185025562286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-73687567116237190212008-02-06T14:59:00.000-05:002008-02-06T14:59:00.000-05:00I don't know who would have the guts to use it but...I don't know who would have the guts to use it but you should consider sending this in to various publications.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-91013309886880301592008-02-06T13:58:00.000-05:002008-02-06T13:58:00.000-05:00The chumra of shiny shoes reflecting a girl's unde...The chumra of shiny shoes reflecting a girl's underwear is one I remember hearing about as a kid, many years ago. I heard it from friends who were catholic and this was something the nuns made a big deal about. Now we know where the rabbis got this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-12094107046005089012008-02-06T13:46:00.000-05:002008-02-06T13:46:00.000-05:00People forget the danger of blurring the distincti...People forget the danger of blurring the distinction between halacha and personal chumrahs. That is one of the lessons to be learned from the cheyt of Adam. His telling her she had to do more than she had to in including a prohibition to even touch the fruit from the Eitz hada'as lead to her downfall. As the nachash convinced her that nothing happened from the touch, nothing should happen from eating. So now women are only to shop at certified stores because they are no longer to be trusted to judge sleeve and hem length and appropriateness of style for themselves. And the women who follow the rabbanit you refer to believe that even their eyes cannot appear in public. It is a huge kula for a woman to allow herself one eye revealed so that she can actually see where she is going! Is there a better demonstration of self-induced blindness?Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.com