tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post6835537233271373026..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Expunging the Kool AidBrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-4742276465275293012011-03-29T22:18:26.646-04:002011-03-29T22:18:26.646-04:00Well said Nate. Thank you.Well said Nate. Thank you.Englishmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89603581211654788052011-03-28T10:24:58.938-04:002011-03-28T10:24:58.938-04:00JewishAthiest,
I don't have a lot of time to ...JewishAthiest,<br /><br />I don't have a lot of time to post, so I'm sorry this is brief:<br /><br /><i>Hawking is an expert in cosmology and the beginning of the universe, so he is more qualified to discuss the question of a creator than anyone else on Earth outside of a handful of others who seem to agree with him. Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist who is far more qualified to discuss as to whether living things were designed by an intelligent being or evolved through blind processes than pretty much anyone else, and again, a majority of his colleagues agree with him.</i><br /><br />I wrote above that G-d is hidden. Therefore, I wouldn't expect them to find the Divine by looking into the universe for open miracles. I'm sure this drives you crazy.<br /><br /><i>What? Kofer! Metropolis was destroyed by God 3607 years ago because the residents had sex in the missionary position too often.</i><br /><br />If true, you have yourself disproven the existence of Superman, because Superman would not have allowed Metropolis to be destroyed.<br /><br /><i>Lois Lane is in my house right now, although she is invisible and also exists outside of space and time.</i><br /><br />And let me guess, she gives you numerous commandments that you must follow, but are curiously similar to your own inner desires and world view.<br /><br />You are quite good at disproving idolatry.<br /><br /><i>What? No, I never said that. I said some people suffer because of Orthodox Judaism. I offered two examples: gay Orthodox teens and married skeptics who are trapped because e.g. their wives would leave them and take the kids if they were honest about their skepticism.</i><br /><br />So with all of the problems and suffering in this world, where members of other religions kill their OTDs, you choose to focus on a small subgroup of a small subgroup of a small subgroup?<br /><br />Also, why do you call yourself <b>Jewish</b>Athiest? For a true atheist, Judaism must be the absolute worst tragedy of religion there is. Not only have Jews fallen victim to the horrific mass delusion of religion, but they picked an ancient one and stubbornly stuck with it, even when newer, more open religions who also believe in invisible gods instead of statues sprang up, even when it meant generations of death and suffering. How could you associate yourself with something like that???<br /><br /><i>Obviously you don't just leave it at that. You take wikipedia as a starting point and follow the references. Or, visit any library and ask the reference librarian for books about ancient Egypt by actual historians. Or, call your local university and ask for a professor of ancient Egyptian history.</i><br /><br />Why, if it is written by ancient Jews, it is a lie; but if it is written by ancient Egyptians, it is true?<br /><br /><i>I don't mean to imply that you are consciously dishonest. I think you're in denial and are rationalizing. When I say dishonest, I mean intellectually dishonest.</i><br /><br />OK. I have evengelical Christian friends who tell me the same thing, so I can live with that.<br /><br />Show me where I have rationalized, I'd be interested to know.Avram in MDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-72728076880964207702011-03-25T12:30:03.919-04:002011-03-25T12:30:03.919-04:00BTW wolf, is there a way to set the difficulty lev...<i>BTW wolf, is there a way to set the difficulty levels of the captchas on your site? I notice that some sites like yours are much simpler than others. I doubt google lets you upload your own database of images but do they let you choose in some way? </i><br /><br />No. It's just an on/off switch. I can't customize it at all.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-53985773891246392852011-03-25T12:13:52.254-04:002011-03-25T12:13:52.254-04:00Yes Nate, דעת תורא מיט א אלף
BTW wolf, is there a...Yes Nate, דעת תורא מיט א אלף<br /><br />BTW wolf, is there a way to set the difficulty levels of the captchas on your site? I notice that some sites like yours are much simpler than others. I doubt google lets you upload your own database of images but do they let you choose in some way?ItcheSruliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-78854848491864470682011-03-24T13:31:25.183-04:002011-03-24T13:31:25.183-04:00Nate:
Please continue posting. You are helping a ...Nate:<br /><br />Please continue posting. You are helping a fellow Yid do the Mitzva of being B'Simcha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-18464391650819856492011-03-24T09:51:31.061-04:002011-03-24T09:51:31.061-04:00in his zeal to defend a handful of random statemen...in his zeal to defend a handful of random statements which he can barely cite correctly -- throws out a good part of how his religion works<br /><br /><br />All I have said is Daas Torah par excellence.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-80292380250345217682011-03-23T21:56:02.197-04:002011-03-23T21:56:02.197-04:00I know I haven't visited your blog since I gav...I know I haven't visited your blog since I gave you the link to your question about Ramses in the leining group back around parshat shemos, but I see I'm missing some good stuff.<br /><br />You seem to be describing an approach that has been around pretty much since the beginning, at least the hermeneutics; the Torah/science thing wasn't an issue until modern science became worth the name. I'm not surprised at the atheist comments. They're debating religion vs. irreligion which is a separate argument and doing it civilly too. I'm surprised at Nate who -- in his zeal to defend a handful of random statements which he can barely cite correctly -- throws out a good part of how his religion works.ItcheSruliknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-21079322751086601572011-03-23T18:30:29.283-04:002011-03-23T18:30:29.283-04:00Leave it to Dave to pick a handful of guys as repr...Leave it to Dave to pick a handful of guys as representative of all frum Yidden. And as far as Purim, it IS an obligation.<br />For Jews it's a minute part of 1 holiday a year. For goyim, it is the center of their lives. When was the last time you saw a black hat wearing Jew sitting at a bar drinking 12 beers and enough shots to kill a horse, then stagger to his car, kill 3 people on the way home, and rack up 10 dwi's? For them its part of their lives. For us, it's an anomaly.An Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-59632667323046898942011-03-23T17:06:40.910-04:002011-03-23T17:06:40.910-04:00Yeah, all those Goyim who have religious holidays ...Yeah, all those Goyim who have religious holidays where their leaders declare it is a sacred obligation to get hammered (even if you are underage), and send out their students to do so.<br /><br />And I'm sure the Baptist church down the block has all the men sitting around drinking expensive whiskey every Sunday morning.<br /><br />Yeah, the Goyim are the ones with the fixation on alcohol. Good thing frum Jews would never consider such a thing!Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-806572330022710492011-03-23T16:50:06.135-04:002011-03-23T16:50:06.135-04:00Levin, don't be a tard. You know exactly what ...Levin, don't be a tard. You know exactly what I'm saying. You and the money worshipping goyim want to get the dishes done so you can go make more money, and your entire life is centered around money and creature comforts. That is not how God wants us to live at all, and there is ample evidence of that in every single Torah based writing that exists. That does not mean we are to live an ascetic life at all. But that is not our purpose, though it clearly is yours.<br />You're more worried about the sin of exceeding your 10 or 20% obligation to charity than not wearing tzitzis. I wonder if you do a precise accounting to make sure that you don't exceed it by a penny.<br />And the saddest part of it is that you actually think that it is YOU who determines your net worth! Nate is right. You should send him a check. Just imagine another tax deduction. That should make you and your accountant happy. Disgusting! No wonder the goyishe world thinks we're all money grubbing shysters.An Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-2649655868848294912011-03-23T16:49:43.531-04:002011-03-23T16:49:43.531-04:00UNDISPUTED AND 100% TRUTH
AND IN CAPITAL LETTERS...<i>UNDISPUTED AND 100% TRUTH </i><br /><br />AND IN CAPITAL LETTERS WHICH MAKES IT EVEN TRUER!!<br /><br />Seriously, however, this deserves its own post, which I'll try to get on the site in the next day or two.<br /><br />Suffice it to say that there *are* variants of the Torah text (contrary to the position of the former article) and suffice it to say that there are those who do dispute the latter article. Your saying "UNDISPUTED" in capital letters does not change that.<br /><br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-72893360299557176072011-03-23T16:49:26.952-04:002011-03-23T16:49:26.952-04:00The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation rec...The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation received the Torah at Mt. Sinai, eh?<br /><br />any circulare reasoning there?<br /><br />Nate, this is not the time or place for this discussion.ksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-18357394379964827732011-03-23T16:46:25.172-04:002011-03-23T16:46:25.172-04:00100%?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_h...100%? <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesisksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-87608988576823297762011-03-23T16:42:09.375-04:002011-03-23T16:42:09.375-04:00this is for you ksil
http://www.simpletoremember....this is for you ksil<br /><br />http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/torahaccuracy/<br /><br />http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/<br /><br />UNDISPUTED AND 100% TRUTHNatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-56125423824895758652011-03-23T16:41:35.555-04:002011-03-23T16:41:35.555-04:00I will not be answering to Nate, he is obviously a...I will not be answering to Nate, he is obviously a troll. But something bothers me about what Observer said. Are you saying that only Jews wash dishes and goyim eat from dirty dishes or something? Or are you saying that only Goyim go to work and where do Jews get their parnasa from? I really, really want to know.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-54310104587934600702011-03-23T15:22:45.672-04:002011-03-23T15:22:45.672-04:00"Jews are what counts"
ugh"Jews are what counts"<br /><br />ughksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-50635171709752055092011-03-23T15:18:07.791-04:002011-03-23T15:18:07.791-04:00Dont worry yourself over goyim Mr. KSil. Jews are ...Dont worry yourself over goyim Mr. KSil. Jews are what counts, and without Torah & mitvot, we are no better than they are, which aint much.An Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-29173264732106640482011-03-23T15:13:52.100-04:002011-03-23T15:13:52.100-04:00In the context of their field, I agree. Once we de...<i>In the context of their field, I agree. Once we depart from that field, however, why would a scientist's beliefs be any more valid than my neighbor's?</i><br /><br />Hawking is an expert in cosmology and the beginning of the universe, so he is more qualified to discuss the question of a creator than anyone else on Earth outside of a handful of others who seem to agree with him. Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist who is far more qualified to discuss as to whether living things were designed by an intelligent being or evolved through blind processes than pretty much anyone else, and again, a majority of his colleagues agree with him.<br /><br /><i>I agree with the principle. We disagree, however, on the definition of reasonable.</i><br /><br />OK.<br /><br /><i>Actually, the first can be disproven, based on the lack of a Metropolis, Lois Lane, and everything else Superman interacted with.</i><br /><br />What? Kofer! Metropolis was destroyed by God 3607 years ago because the residents had sex in the missionary position too often. Lois Lane is in my house right now, although she is invisible and also exists outside of space and time.<br /><i>I guess atheists are not immune to making ad hominem attacks. Or hurling insults. It's sad, because the discussion would have been more enjoyable without these things.</i><br /><br />I apologize.<br /><br /><i>So you believe that Orthodox Jews are suffering? This is a statement that can be proven or disproven, why don't you conduct a survey? Don't forget to designate a control group of non-Orthodox Jews.</i><br /><br />What? No, I never said that. I said some people suffer because of Orthodox Judaism. I offered two examples: gay Orthodox teens and married skeptics who are trapped because e.g. their wives would leave them and take the kids if they were honest about their skepticism.<br /><br /><i>Again, we'll have to agree to disagree. We look at the universe in different ways.</i><br /><br />Right. And I'm saying the way you look at it is not "critical."<br /><br /><i>First, I don't think Wikipedia is a good research resource for big issues.</i><br /><br />Obviously you don't just leave it at that. You take wikipedia as a starting point and follow the references. Or, visit any library and ask the reference librarian for books about ancient Egypt by actual historians. Or, call your local university and ask for a professor of ancient Egyptian history.<br /><br /><i>Second, we can disagree, and you are welcome to think that my views are ridiculous and stupid, but to accuse me of dishonesty and insult me weakens your arguments. </i><br /><br />I don't mean to imply that you are consciously dishonest. I think you're in denial and are rationalizing. When I say dishonest, I mean intellectually dishonest.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-7856827499971480942011-03-23T15:11:20.813-04:002011-03-23T15:11:20.813-04:00observer, was that a "yes"?observer, was that a "yes"?ksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-76330302992925777132011-03-23T15:07:59.370-04:002011-03-23T15:07:59.370-04:00Yeah, what AO said.
What a crock. A Jew who woul...Yeah, what AO said. <br /><br />What a crock. A Jew who would pass up the mitzvah of tzitzis so he can eat a steak for $25 or more, give up owning tefillin so he can bask in the light of his plasma tv, and you don't see how he's like a polineh goy?Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-57284215850767602332011-03-23T15:04:48.516-04:002011-03-23T15:04:48.516-04:00HA! Never met a goy who is interested in improving...HA! Never met a goy who is interested in improving anything other than his blood alcohol level on a Friday night. Wake up. Comfortable living is a far cry from what Levin is talking about. Borrowing tefillin and driving an expensive car, and you don't see the problem? A fine example of a Yid. FehAn Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-50078950157700210142011-03-23T14:58:57.970-04:002011-03-23T14:58:57.970-04:00observer, is there something intriniscally wrong w...observer, is there something intriniscally wrong with all goyim in your view? or just the ones that want to earn a living, consistently improve the quality of their life and others around them, and generally participate in society?ksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-26865197523263395802011-03-23T14:56:59.304-04:002011-03-23T14:56:59.304-04:00"I'll be expecting an obligatory maaser c..."I'll be expecting an obligatory maaser check from you"<br /><br />please send your check to nate so his wife can sit at home and do nothing and he can troll the jewish skeptic blogs all day and night, push buttons and stir the pot.<br /><br />jeez louiseksilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-45728991322871747242011-03-23T14:54:42.179-04:002011-03-23T14:54:42.179-04:00"When I am not washing dishes I am free to de..."When I am not washing dishes I am free to dedicate my time to something else which will bring me money. I could use a portion of that income to eat out. But if I spend all of my time washing dishes, I will bypass the opportunity to improve my financial situation."<br /><br />Just like the goyim.An Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-33170976073692571482011-03-23T14:48:46.032-04:002011-03-23T14:48:46.032-04:00Don't forget to tell Wolf to ban me for insult...<i>Don't forget to tell Wolf to ban me for insulting you, that's the usual course of action for those who refuse to confront their own ridiculousness.</i><br /><br />I don't ban people for such things. I generally believe in the "give 'em enough rope..." method. The more you talk, the more we're able to judge and evaluate the worth (or lack thereof) of your arguments.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.com