tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post758795409532285896..comments2023-10-30T08:40:59.016-04:00Comments on Wolfish Musings: Conditional Divorces?BrooklynWolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-14009211921728989162007-03-21T12:05:00.000-04:002007-03-21T12:05:00.000-04:00Agreed. Bad public policy if this is allowed.Agreed. Bad public policy if this is allowed.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-22011222296912588612007-03-20T09:59:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:59:00.000-04:00Wow. People have been pushing for this sort of ret...Wow. People have been pushing for this sort of retroactive nullification when it comes to freeing agunos, and have had it shutdown, but now they're allowing it for retroactively nullifying gittin and keeping women agunos for longer?! <BR/><BR/>Sick!The Hedyothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-89958800453632419712007-03-20T09:52:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:52:00.000-04:00I'm not sure there's any validity to anyone's clai...I'm not sure there's any validity to anyone's claim. Unless there's proff in writing to the specific matter of the education of the child, it becomes a matter of he said/ she said.<BR/><BR/>He has to prove that she violated the conditions of receiving the Get and she needs to prove that this particular matter was never specified.<BR/><BR/>Issues like this was the main reason I filed for divorce in the Israeli civil courts. I wanted custody issues settled away from the Rabbis.<BR/><BR/>And personally, she was a fool to allow that conditional ax to hang over her head for the rest of her life.Pesky Settlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03077745747562609723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-56041280267201306332007-03-20T09:42:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:42:00.000-04:00Reb Yudel,Respectfully, you're wrong. The policy ...Reb Yudel,<BR/><BR/>Respectfully, you're wrong. The policy is the point I'm trying to make. It doesn't really matter if the story about T is true or not (well, it matters to T... but that's not the point I'm trying to bring out). I was addressing the idea of having conditional gittin as public policy. And that, IMHO, is a very, very bad idea.<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-76730098255640514792007-03-20T09:41:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:41:00.000-04:00Michael,Disagreeing with someone is not disparagin...Michael,<BR/><BR/>Disagreeing with someone is not disparaging... I myself made clear in my article that I disagree with some of the things that Rav Eliyashiv has said and done. However, you'll notice that I didn't refer to him as "Eliyashiv" but "Rav Eliyashiv." Referring to someone without a title they have earned is, IMHO, disparaging. By titling the artile "The Edicts of Eliyashiv," I found it to be disparaging. (In addition, you'll note that I was judgemental about the title of the article, not the article itself.)<BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-22411529794790504582007-03-20T09:06:00.000-04:002007-03-20T09:06:00.000-04:00Wolf, my antenna may be less sensitive than yours ...Wolf, my antenna may be less sensitive than yours (getting my animal metaphors mixed here, wolves don't have antennas), but I didn't find the tone of the article disparaging. The author was disagreeing with Eliashiv in very strong terms.<BR/><BR/>"The disparaging of a <I>talmid chochom</I>." Maybe it depends on how you define "disparaging," and on how you define "talmid chochom." You strike me as a menshlich guy who disparages almost nobody. But this t"ch business is more important. How often does someone have to issue a p'sak shtut before we reevaluate his disparagement-proof status? Carried to an extreme, this will never happen if we assume that because he's a t"ch, nothing he says is a p'sak shtut.Michael Koplowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334251239196640565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-60035937492714432532007-03-19T19:24:00.000-04:002007-03-19T19:24:00.000-04:00The question isn't whether it is good public polic...The question isn't whether it is good public policy; the question is whether it is R. Eliyashiv's public policy. <BR/><BR/>It might be worth enquiring of R. Eliyashiv's apologists over at Cross-Currents whether or not the story is accurate or not.Reb Yudelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07475293471910146749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11425059.post-47862668804838754282007-03-19T17:54:00.000-04:002007-03-19T17:54:00.000-04:00Thank you for this post! I am going to share it w...Thank you for this post! I am going to share it with a couple friends of mine who also work with domestic violence victims.<BR/><BR/>I divorced a malignant narcissist and yet he is using the courts to terrorize me - just as this Conditional Divorce is doing. That's what it is about, Wolf - CONTROL. The exhusband does NOT want to lose control. Its abuse. Get or not she is still an agunah. And the ex is now using the children to maintain his reign of terror.<BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong I have seen women do this to men. No matter who does it - its wrong.<BR/><BR/>Thank you again!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Sanctuary for the Abused</A>Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793044176961385860noreply@blogger.com