Friday, September 01, 2006

Ad Me'ah V'Esrim (...until 120 years)

It is a common custom among Orthodox Jews to express hope that someone lives to 120 years. Personally, I've always found this to be a bit odd. Why only 120? Of course, a person living to 120 nowadays is exceedingly rare (only two examples, [one disputed] in the last hundred years) and anyone living to that age certainly has God's blessings. Personally, I plan on being around around beyond 120, but if I only make it to 120, I certainly won't complain.

In any event, I've always wondered why we only wish for a person to live to 120. Of course, the first thing that pops into mind is the fact that Moses lived to 120 years and it may seem presumptuous of us to want to live longer than Moses. Personally, I find that argument a bit week. After all, Shmuel HaNavi only lived into his 50s. Do we think that we are greater than Shmuel HaNavi? Of course not -- but just about everybody wants to live past their 50s! Personally, I just about never use the phrase Ad Me'ah V'Esrim. If I want to express a hope that someone will live a long life, I usually say so... they should have Arichas Yomim, be in good health, etc.

I remember having a discussion with someone about longevity when I brought up the case of Jeanne Calment, who died in France in 1997 at the age of 122 years. When I mentioned it, he flat out refused to believe that it was possible for her to have lived that long. He stated that it was impossible for a person to live beyond 120, as that was the age that Moses died at and, apparently, there is [according to him] some tradition that states that one cannot live longer than that. When I pressed him for the source of this "tradition," he couldn't come up with anything.

I then went over to the Tanach and advised him to check out the second-to-last verse of Iyov (Job) where it states that Iyov lived 140 years *after* all the event that occured in the book. His response to me was that (a) Iyov never happened (a legitimate position to take) and (b) Iyov is traditionally ascribed to Moses, hence, if factual, the events occured before Moses when people did live beyond 120 years.

I then took out a copy of Divrei HaYamim (Chronicles) and opened it up to Part II, 24:15 where it states that Yehoyada the Kohen lived to the age of 130. He similarly wasn't impressed by that (I think he muttered something about exceptional circumstances and whatnot).

In short, I'm certain that the idea that a person can't live beyond 120 years is hogwash. Jeanne Calment's life is pretty well documented, plus there are at least two biblical sources for someone living beyond 120 (there are opinions that Iyov happened after Moses, if it happened at all).

Besides, would you say Ad Me'ah V'Esrim to someone who is already 119 1/2?

The Wolf

9 comments:

Alan said...

The mekor for 120 is Bereishis 6:3. However, there is certainly no rule that a person can't live more than 120.

BrooklynWolf said...

I'm not so certain about that. After all, that pasuk can be interpreted to mean what you say, or it could be interpreted to mean that mankind had 120 years left until the destruction of the Flood.

And since people continued to live longer than 120 years after that point, I'd lean more towards the latter interpretation.

The Wolf

Aryeh said...

I believe if you look at the Ibn Ezra on that pasuk, you will see that he learns that the pasuk is telling us that 120 years is the maximum life-span. Of course, others may learn differently.

BrooklynWolf said...

Fair enough, Aryeh. I'll have to check it out.

However, I'm curious... wasn't the Ibn Ezra aware of Yehoyada?

The Wolf

Anonymous said...

are they 120 moon years or sun years?

Aryeh said...

>>>However, I'm curious... wasn't the Ibn Ezra aware of Yehoyada?>>>

I don't know - perhaps the old adage of "there's an exception to every rule" applies...

Aryeh

Anonymous said...

Look at Onkelos on that posuk. Additionally, ibn Ezra does bring up the idea that 120 years is the limit on man's lifespan, and then rejects this. Seems like it may just be a babbe maaseh among the hamon am.

Anonymous said...

Rav Chaim Brisker was opposed to saying amush - he said it was assur actually, a violation of nasi b'amcha lo sa-or (don't curse people).

Clearly, Rav Chaim rejected the notion that one cannot live past 120.

happy said...

lets ask Lakewood Yid.
he has the pulse of the charedi community.
if he believes it, they probably do as well.